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I'm in, and I think that'd be an excellent way to get =
us all on the same

 page.


Great idea Alan.


Matt


Alan Shimel wrote:

 > Hopefully this will not bounce, as I registered =
this email address on

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 >  

 > 

 > With all of the back and forth regarding these =
issues I would like to

 > invite Marty, Matt Jonkman, Victor and maybe =
some of the other folks who

 > have written to appear on my podcast that I do =
weekly.  We can do it

 > with either with live call ins for questions or =
have people submit their

 > questions.  I think it will be a great =
chance to clear the air and give

 > everyone their say and then hopefully put these =
issues to bed once and

 > for all.  Marty, Matt, Victor, et al, what =
do you say?  Would you be

 > willing to get on a panel and discuss these =
issues?

 > 

 >  

 > 

 > Let me know

 > 

 >  

 > 

 > alan

 > 

 >  

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 > *From:* =
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 > [<A =
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ers-bounces@lists.sourceforge.net</A>] *On Behalf Of *Matt

 > Jonkman

 > *Sent:* Wednesday, July 18, 2007 10:48 PM

 > *To:* Martin Roesch; Snort Users

 > *Cc:* Bleeding Sigs

 > *Subject:* [Snort-users] [Bleeding-sigs] RE: =
What's up with Snort's license?

 > 

 >  

 > 

 > Appreciate the reply Marty. I'm the person who =
said you'd slipped this

 > in on

 > a Friday before a long weekend. I mentioned that =
because that's what

 > happened the last time SF did something and then =
didn't communicate with

 > the

 > community for weeks afterwards. 3.0 license =
release I think it was maybe? I

 > forget. But had someone mentioned that you had =
to do this in a rush because

 > of outside factors we'd have known =
different....

 > 

 > And that time, and the time before, (and =
probably the time before that

 > IIRC)

 > you said SF was in the wrong by not putting out =
a note that something was

 > changing right away, or even that you had to do =
something and would be

 > explaining it shortly. When SF goes into a =
communication blackout it's

 > quite

 > obvious. The "I'm too busy" thing =
frankly doesn't sound plausible. Over two

 > weeks is more than enough time for anyone to =
send out an email that says

 > "We're aware of the situation, we'll update =
you shortly". If you were

 > spending the time waiting for legal review then =
say so. And let us know up

 > front that's what we're waiting for. Otherwise =
you just foment the

 > conspiracy theories and undermine the corporate =
confidence that snort will

 > remain stable and community oriented. But I =
think we've had this

 > conversation before, so I won't beat the dead =
horse any longer.

 > 

 > I haven't a problem with you protecting code and =
your rights, but the

 > willy-nilly changing of others copyright is not =
something that should

 > happen

 > by accident. That's not like changing the colors =
on a website, that's

 > sacred

 > ground. Rushing through that was a huge hit to =
trust.

 > 

 > So my questions:

 > 

 > Will the coders that have more than trivial =
portions of code in snort be

 > receiving a proportional chunk of the money you =
make when on relicensing

 > Snort under the commercial license? Future and =
historical contracts? That

 > seems a fair thing to do, unless you intend to =
buy out their copyright?

 > That'd be fair as well. But in protecting the =
authors of Snort (yourself

 > and

 > others), you've got to consider all of them when =
the money flows.

 > 

 > If they're not to be reimbursed under your =
relicensing revenue, do they

 > then

 > also have the right to sell snort under a =
commercial license of their own?

 > 

 > Why's CVS down still? Why was it down in the =
first place?

 > 

 > Have you had the time now to identify exactly =
what issues in GPLv3 are an

 > issue for SF? I've seen talk of the patent =
prohibition stuff as being a

 > possible issue. Is that what's a concern for =
SF?

 > 

 > To be clear: I do appreciate your stewardship of =
Snort. Better

 > communication

 > would not put so many into a default hostile and =
suspicious stance.

 > 

 > Matt

 > 

 >  

 > 

 >> -----Original Message-----

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 >> [<A =
HREF=3D"mailto:snort-users-bounces@lists.sourceforge.net">mailto:snort-us=
ers-bounces@lists.sourceforge.net</A>] On Behalf

 >> Of Martin Roesch

 >> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 4:49 AM

 >> To: Snort Users

 >> Subject: [Snort-users] What's up with =
Snort's license?

 >>

 > Hi everyone,

 > 

 > I posted this message on my blog a few minutes =
ago, please read it 

 > and let me know what you think if you're =
interested in Snort 

 > licensing issues.

 > 

 >>

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