Re: [Snort-users] Aanval Series 2 v2.3 Just Released

OK guys, I have had enough, you both made your points. As a fellow vendor I
feel your pain, but lets move on and let the list traffic concentrate on
Snort stuff.

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-----Original Message-----
From: snort-users-bounces@lists.sourceforge.net
[mailto:snort-users-bounces@lists.sourceforge.net] On Behalf Of Jeff Dell
Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 10:19 PM
To: 'Eric Hines'
Cc: administration@remoteassessment.com; snort-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Snort-users] Aanval Series 2 v2.3 Just Released

Eric,

You said:

"If the Snort management product is completely free -- a true open source
product and is not sold or offered as a commercial solution, then I
think they should have the right to announce to this list. However,
products such as Aanval and ActiveWorx shouldn't (I've seen Jeff Dell do
the same thing in the past)."

Then you give an example in another email that you claim is a great example
on how I did this. Lets take a look at the full original email without the
bottom half removed like you posted[1]. As you can see I did nothing more
then answer the person's request. I did not post an announcement like you
claim. What is really interesting about the email you claim I am doing
marketing with... if you scroll down on that same link you will see your
reply to that same email with information about your product. Hmmm.. Maybe
that wasn't such a good example?

I have however sent many emails over the last 6 years announcing the release
of our completely free product that is not sold or offered as a commercial
solution [2].

Cheers,

Jeff

[1] http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/m...sg_id=15364007
[2] http://www.activeworx.org/programs/idspm/


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Eric Hines [mailto:eric.hines@appliedwatch.com]
> Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 9:05 PM
> To: Jeff Dell
> Cc: snort-users@lists.sourceforge.net;
> administration@remoteassessment.com
> Subject: Re: [Snort-users] Aanval Series 2 v2.3 Just Released
>
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>
> Jeff,
>
> My statement was companies that have a free version and a commercial
> version of their solution.
>
> With you: IDS Policy Manager and your commercial product Activeworx
> Security Center.
>
> My point is, I can see abuse of this list by companies who make a
> stripped down version of their product for free and then use this list
> to "announce" that free version of their commercial solutions (Remote
> Assessment/Aanval). They click on the site to check out this stripped
> down version only to come upon the commercial product. I just think
> companies who have free stripped down versions of their product they
> sell shouldn't be allowed to market it on this list.
>
> Its ingenious I think -- limit some capabilities of your product and
> call it a free version in order to be able to market your company on
> this mailing list.
>
> Alright, yeah, we did it once :) I suppose I'm just tired of seeing
> Remote Assessments constant posts to this list for Aanval.
> The Halloween
> sale was the "straw that broke the camel's back" with me.
>
> Here is a post by you on April 10th which is a great example
> of what I'm
> talking about. Anyway, I don't want this to turn in to a flame war so
> I'll drop it. I said my piece.
>
>
> - --- snip ---
> - -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: RE: [Snort-users] Snort Front-ends
> Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 18:02:36 -0400
> From: Jeff Dell <jdell@activeworx.com>
> To: 'Arif Basha' <arif.basha@janes.com>, 'Snort Mailing
> Listehehe'
> <snort-users@lists.sourceforge.net>
>
> Activeworx has a few products that are free and commercial.
>
> Free solutions:
>
> IDS Policy Manager - Snort Rules manager that runs on Windows and will
> support sensors running on Microsoft and any OS that supports
> SSH. Website:
> http://www.activeworx.org
>
> Honeynet Security Console - Snort event manager that runs on Windows.
> Website: http://www.activeworx.org
>
> Commercial:
>
> Activeworx Security Center - Affordable commercial Snort
> event manager/SIM
> that can centralize Snort sensors/databases, schedule
> reports, correlate
> against vulnerabilities and events, interactive graphs, event
> relationship
> diagrams, plus a lot more. Website: http://www.activeworx.com
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jeff
>
> - ----
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Eric Hines, GCIA, CISSP
> CEO, President
> Applied Watch Technologies, LLC
> 1095 Pingree Road
> Suite 221
> Crystal Lake, IL 60014
> Toll Free: (877) 262-7593
> Fax: (847) 854-5106
> Cell: (847) 456-6785
> Web: www.appliedwatch.com
>
>
>
> Jeff Dell wrote:
> >> If the Snort management product is completely free -- a true
> >> open source
> >> product and is not sold or offered as a commercial solution, then I
> >> think they should have the right to announce to this list. However,
> >> products such as Aanval and ActiveWorx shouldn't (I've seen
> >> Jeff Dell do the same thing in the past).
> >
> > I would have to completely disagree with you. I have NEVER
> sent an email
> > about our commercial software. We have however sent many
> emails over the
> > years about our FREE product IDS Policy Manager. We have
> never collected a
> > dime for this software and have even turned away people who
> wanted to donate
> > money to help with development. We don't have a commercial
> version of the
> > product and we never will. We develop this product to give
> back to the
> > community. Heck we even offer free support... So I would
> love to see the
> > email where you claim I am marketing a commercial product.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Jeff
> >
> >
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