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Old 02-16-2004
Finney Charles E
 
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I understand the explanation. Sort of. However:
1. As icmp echo replies, I have the expectation that the replies contain =
the echo request data. The pre-processor did not alert on any echo =
requests, so why replies? BTW, the MTU is 1500 end-to-end, so the =
fragmentation was done by the src host in each direction, not =
intervining routers.

2. Given a "Total Length" field at ip[2:2] with a max value of 65535, =
what transpires to give > 65535? If the src does not support > 65507 =
the an error is returned and no data is sent. I have no understanding =
of what will actually transpire if the src can do > 65507 and the dst =
cannot.

3. What am I missing in interpretation of the packet that points to =
trouble as a function of offset 35520? My trusty calculator shows 35520 =
div 8 =3D 4440, looks like all the numbers comply with the rfcs. =
Yes/No? Or are you simply saying crafted ping traffic with these kinds =
of sizes are trouble?

4. No, we haven't upgraded anywhere. A lab project for sure - typical =
in up to our eyeballs problem.

Thanks,
Charlie

>Cc: snort-users@lists.sourceforge.net
>From: Martin Roesch <roesch@sourcefire.com>
>Subject: Re: [Snort-users] (spp_frag2) Oversized fragment, probable DoS
>Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 20:49:53 -0500
>To: "Finney Charles E" <FinneyCharlesE@JohnDeere.com>
>
>Hi Charles,
>
>That alert is generated if the defragger tries to reassemble a =

packet=3D20
>that has a final size greater than 65535 bytes, the largest =

allowable=3D20
>IP packet.


>Is that offset 35520 *bytes* into the packet? If so that looks like =

a=3D20=3D
>
>problem. What platform are you running on? Have you tried =

upgrading=3D20
>to 2.0.6?
>
> -Marty
>
>On Feb 13, 2004, at 1:49 PM, Finney Charles E wrote:
>
>> Received the following running Snort ver 2.0.0: (spp_frag2) =

Oversized=3D20=3D
>
>> fragment, probable DoS
>>
>> The alerts logged are all of the form:
>> 1.2.3.4 > 5.6.7.8: icmp (frag 30970:1480@35520+)
>> 0x0000 4500 05dc 78fa 3158 7e01 f3d1 0102 0304 =3D

E...x.1X~....+`F
>> 0x0010 0506 0708 efbe adde efbe adde efbe adde =3D20
>> .5.U............
>> 0x0020 efbe adde efbe adde efbe adde efbe adde =3D20
>> ................
>> ...
>> 0x05d0 efbe adde efbe adde efbe adde ............
>>
>> Fully half of the 2800 alerts were for offset 35520. The =

traffic=3D20
>> appears to have been stimulated by an application called "SiSandra". =

=3D20=3D



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