With all do respect Gentlemen

Or perhaps I should say Ladies and Gentlemen

I am grateful for the help you have given me today and yesterday, but I have
always been told that the only stupid question is the one you don’t ask.

Please indulge me for a minute and continue reading.

I started writing Assembler on punch cards in 1964 to mainframes, then
FORTRAN on punch cards to main frames, next circa 1980 I started
programming on my Sinclair ZX80 in BASIC and machine code. Circa 1984 I
started programming on my first IBM PC
BASIC

As time went on Pascal, dBase, FoxPro, (yes they both had languages as well
as database) clipper (the version was called summer of 86) and then when
Windows and the internet came around Delphi.

I have made a living as a contract programmer for the last 22 years.

I taught myself every language I know I had to because I’m dyslexic and can
not learn like “Normal Folks”

While I was using Clipper I used to help out on lots of newsgroups and I
never told anyone.
“Your questions fall into the DUH!!! category.”
“Your question(s) are pretty much an FAQ in the WYSIFA Forums.”
“Before I tried to program anything in php, I read the manual.”
“I know you are just learning and starting out, but this was rather basic.”
“What a cleverly selected Subject:!”

My questions are probably stupid – at least to all you “Experts”
But you know what? Real quick this all will click in my dyslexic little
mind and then we’ll see who’s the export

Len Bell

lenbell wrote:
> Or perhaps I should say Ladies and Gentlemen
>
> I am grateful for the help you have given me today and yesterday, but
> I have always been told that the only stupid question is the one you
> don't ask.
> Please indulge me for a minute and continue reading.
>
> I started writing Assembler on punch cards in 1964 to mainframes, then
> FORTRAN on punch cards to main frames, next circa 1980 I started
> programming on my Sinclair ZX80 in BASIC and machine code. Circa
> 1984 I started programming on my first IBM PC
> BASIC
>
> As time went on Pascal, dBase, FoxPro, (yes they both had languages
> as well as database) clipper (the version was called summer of 86)
> and then when Windows and the internet came around Delphi.
>
> I have made a living as a contract programmer for the last 22 years.
>
> I taught myself every language I know I had to because I'm dyslexic
> and can not learn like "Normal Folks"
>
> While I was using Clipper I used to help out on lots of newsgroups
> and I never told anyone.
> "Your questions fall into the DUH!!! category."
> "Your question(s) are pretty much an FAQ in the WYSIFA Forums."
> "Before I tried to program anything in php, I read the manual."
> "I know you are just learning and starting out, but this was rather
> basic." "What a cleverly selected Subject:!"
>
> My questions are probably stupid - at least to all you "Experts"
> But you know what? Real quick this all will click in my dyslexic
> little mind and then we'll see who's the export
>
> Len Bell

IT's not that your questions are stupid, it's that you obviously haven't
even bothered looking at the manual to discover the very basics.

If you really did teach yourself all those languages, then you should be at
least starting with this one by making an effort to discover the very basic
steps, before asking for help.

I don't need to get into a pissing contest with you. It is very obvious you
know nothing about dyslexia.

I can't read paragraphs at a time my mind only grasps small bursts of
written information and then I get confused. I teach myself by nibbling at
this then that and sooner or later the entire language comes into focus. A
function definition is ok but a chapter on a topic is beyond me.

"If you really did teach yourself all those languages" What do I need to
give you my resume?

You know if my questions offend you why bother replying?

Is it just that you can't feel big unless you make someone else feel small?

Len Bell

"Paul Lautman" <paul.lautman@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:69u57vF33ie2eU1@mid.individual.net...
> lenbell wrote:
>> Or perhaps I should say Ladies and Gentlemen
>>
>> I am grateful for the help you have given me today and yesterday, but
>> I have always been told that the only stupid question is the one you
>> don't ask.
>> Please indulge me for a minute and continue reading.
>>
>> I started writing Assembler on punch cards in 1964 to mainframes, then
>> FORTRAN on punch cards to main frames, next circa 1980 I started
>> programming on my Sinclair ZX80 in BASIC and machine code. Circa
>> 1984 I started programming on my first IBM PC
>> BASIC
>>
>> As time went on Pascal, dBase, FoxPro, (yes they both had languages
>> as well as database) clipper (the version was called summer of 86)
>> and then when Windows and the internet came around Delphi.
>>
>> I have made a living as a contract programmer for the last 22 years.
>>
>> I taught myself every language I know I had to because I'm dyslexic
>> and can not learn like "Normal Folks"
>>
>> While I was using Clipper I used to help out on lots of newsgroups
>> and I never told anyone.
>> "Your questions fall into the DUH!!! category."
>> "Your question(s) are pretty much an FAQ in the WYSIFA Forums."
>> "Before I tried to program anything in php, I read the manual."
>> "I know you are just learning and starting out, but this was rather
>> basic." "What a cleverly selected Subject:!"
>>
>> My questions are probably stupid - at least to all you "Experts"
>> But you know what? Real quick this all will click in my dyslexic
>> little mind and then we'll see who's the export
>>
>> Len Bell
>
> IT's not that your questions are stupid, it's that you obviously haven't
> even bothered looking at the manual to discover the very basics.
>
> If you really did teach yourself all those languages, then you should be
> at least starting with this one by making an effort to discover the very
> basic steps, before asking for help.
>

lenbell wrote:
> "Paul Lautman" <paul.lautman@btinternet.com> wrote in message
> news:69u57vF33ie2eU1@mid.individual.net...
>> lenbell wrote:
>>> Or perhaps I should say Ladies and Gentlemen
>>>
>>> I am grateful for the help you have given me today and yesterday,
>>> but I have always been told that the only stupid question is the
>>> one you don't ask.
>>> Please indulge me for a minute and continue reading.
>>>
>>> I started writing Assembler on punch cards in 1964 to mainframes,
>>> then FORTRAN on punch cards to main frames, next circa 1980 I
>>> started programming on my Sinclair ZX80 in BASIC and machine code. Circa
>>> 1984 I started programming on my first IBM PC
>>> BASIC
>>>
>>> As time went on Pascal, dBase, FoxPro, (yes they both had languages
>>> as well as database) clipper (the version was called summer of 86)
>>> and then when Windows and the internet came around Delphi.
>>>
>>> I have made a living as a contract programmer for the last 22 years.
>>>
>>> I taught myself every language I know I had to because I'm dyslexic
>>> and can not learn like "Normal Folks"
>>>
>>> While I was using Clipper I used to help out on lots of newsgroups
>>> and I never told anyone.
>>> "Your questions fall into the DUH!!! category."
>>> "Your question(s) are pretty much an FAQ in the WYSIFA Forums."
>>> "Before I tried to program anything in php, I read the manual."
>>> "I know you are just learning and starting out, but this was rather
>>> basic." "What a cleverly selected Subject:!"
>>>
>>> My questions are probably stupid - at least to all you "Experts"
>>> But you know what? Real quick this all will click in my dyslexic
>>> little mind and then we'll see who's the export
>>>
>>> Len Bell
>>
>> IT's not that your questions are stupid, it's that you obviously
>> haven't even bothered looking at the manual to discover the very
>> basics.
>> If you really did teach yourself all those languages, then you
>> should be at least starting with this one by making an effort to
>> discover the very basic steps, before asking for help.
>I don't need to get into a pissing contest with you. It is very
> obvious you know nothing about dyslexia.
>
> I can't read paragraphs at a time my mind only grasps small bursts of
> written information and then I get confused. I teach myself by
> nibbling at this then that and sooner or later the entire language
> comes into focus. A function definition is ok but a chapter on a
> topic is beyond me.
> "If you really did teach yourself all those languages" What do I need
> to give you my resume?
>
> You know if my questions offend you why bother replying?
>
> Is it just that you can't feel big unless you make someone else feel
> small?
> Len Bell
>
Please do not top post (top posting fixed)

It is quite obvious that you know nothing about good manners. I was not the
one who called the questions DOH questions, I was just trying to explain why
you weren't getting any good replies.

You seem to have no problem reading the replies on this group, and being
very abusive in your responses.

I wish you luck in your enterprises, I think you will need it, because you
haven't made any friends here.

Where is it writen that I can't "Top Post"

Secondly I did get conciderable help

Third - this is exactly the format I can read. Again you are showing your
ignorance of dyslexia.

Finally - I didn't realize you are the spokesman for the group

Len Bell


"Paul Lautman" <paul.lautman@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:69u7stF34jtttU1@mid.individual.net...
> lenbell wrote:
>> "Paul Lautman" <paul.lautman@btinternet.com> wrote in message
>> news:69u57vF33ie2eU1@mid.individual.net...
>>> lenbell wrote:
>>>> Or perhaps I should say Ladies and Gentlemen
>>>>
>>>> I am grateful for the help you have given me today and yesterday,
>>>> but I have always been told that the only stupid question is the
>>>> one you don't ask.
>>>> Please indulge me for a minute and continue reading.
>>>>
>>>> I started writing Assembler on punch cards in 1964 to mainframes,
>>>> then FORTRAN on punch cards to main frames, next circa 1980 I
>>>> started programming on my Sinclair ZX80 in BASIC and machine code.
>>>> Circa 1984 I started programming on my first IBM PC
>>>> BASIC
>>>>
>>>> As time went on Pascal, dBase, FoxPro, (yes they both had languages
>>>> as well as database) clipper (the version was called summer of 86)
>>>> and then when Windows and the internet came around Delphi.
>>>>
>>>> I have made a living as a contract programmer for the last 22 years.
>>>>
>>>> I taught myself every language I know I had to because I'm dyslexic
>>>> and can not learn like "Normal Folks"
>>>>
>>>> While I was using Clipper I used to help out on lots of newsgroups
>>>> and I never told anyone.
>>>> "Your questions fall into the DUH!!! category."
>>>> "Your question(s) are pretty much an FAQ in the WYSIFA Forums."
>>>> "Before I tried to program anything in php, I read the manual."
>>>> "I know you are just learning and starting out, but this was rather
>>>> basic." "What a cleverly selected Subject:!"
>>>>
>>>> My questions are probably stupid - at least to all you "Experts"
>>>> But you know what? Real quick this all will click in my dyslexic
>>>> little mind and then we'll see who's the export
>>>>
>>>> Len Bell
>>>
>>> IT's not that your questions are stupid, it's that you obviously
>>> haven't even bothered looking at the manual to discover the very
>>> basics.
>>> If you really did teach yourself all those languages, then you
>>> should be at least starting with this one by making an effort to
>>> discover the very basic steps, before asking for help.
>>I don't need to get into a pissing contest with you. It is very
>> obvious you know nothing about dyslexia.
>>
>> I can't read paragraphs at a time my mind only grasps small bursts of
>> written information and then I get confused. I teach myself by
>> nibbling at this then that and sooner or later the entire language
>> comes into focus. A function definition is ok but a chapter on a
>> topic is beyond me.
>> "If you really did teach yourself all those languages" What do I need
>> to give you my resume?
>>
>> You know if my questions offend you why bother replying?
>>
>> Is it just that you can't feel big unless you make someone else feel
>> small?
>> Len Bell
>>
> Please do not top post (top posting fixed)
>
> It is quite obvious that you know nothing about good manners. I was not
> the one who called the questions DOH questions, I was just trying to
> explain why you weren't getting any good replies.
>
> You seem to have no problem reading the replies on this group, and being
> very abusive in your responses.
>
> I wish you luck in your enterprises, I think you will need it, because you
> haven't made any friends here.
>

lenbell wrote:
> Where is it writen that I can't "Top Post"
>
> Secondly I did get conciderable help
>
> Third - this is exactly the format I can read. Again you are showing
> your ignorance of dyslexia.
>
> Finally - I didn't realize you are the spokesman for the group
>
> Len Bell
>
>
It is written in many places, but you couldn't read them could you?

You could do a search on google for "top post" and then you would find many
articles about it.

You can top post, you can also stick your head up your arse for all I care.

Paul Lautman wrote:
> lenbell wrote:
>> Or perhaps I should say Ladies and Gentlemen
>>
>> I am grateful for the help you have given me today and yesterday, but
>> I have always been told that the only stupid question is the one you
>> don't ask.
>> Please indulge me for a minute and continue reading.
>>
>> I started writing Assembler on punch cards in 1964 to mainframes, then
>> FORTRAN on punch cards to main frames, next circa 1980 I started
>> programming on my Sinclair ZX80 in BASIC and machine code. Circa
>> 1984 I started programming on my first IBM PC
>> BASIC
>>
>> As time went on Pascal, dBase, FoxPro, (yes they both had languages
>> as well as database) clipper (the version was called summer of 86)
>> and then when Windows and the internet came around Delphi.
>>
>> I have made a living as a contract programmer for the last 22 years.
>>
>> I taught myself every language I know I had to because I'm dyslexic
>> and can not learn like "Normal Folks"
>>
>> While I was using Clipper I used to help out on lots of newsgroups
>> and I never told anyone.
>> "Your questions fall into the DUH!!! category."
>> "Your question(s) are pretty much an FAQ in the WYSIFA Forums."
>> "Before I tried to program anything in php, I read the manual."
>> "I know you are just learning and starting out, but this was rather
>> basic." "What a cleverly selected Subject:!"
>>
>> My questions are probably stupid - at least to all you "Experts"
>> But you know what? Real quick this all will click in my dyslexic
>> little mind and then we'll see who's the export
>>
>> Len Bell
>
> IT's not that your questions are stupid, it's that you obviously haven't
> even bothered looking at the manual to discover the very basics.
>
> If you really did teach yourself all those languages, then you should be at
> least starting with this one by making an effort to discover the very basic
> steps, before asking for help.
>
>

To lenbell:
Two of those comments were mine. I, too, have taught myself every
language I know and I, too, first started (with Fortran) in 1964. I,
too, have made my living for the past 26 years as a programmer.
However, there the similarity ends.

I have, at times, asked a question and gotten back the equivalent of the
RTFM. You know what? They were right!!!! They were absolutely
correct. I should have done a little more homework FIRST before asking
those questions. I try to do that now every time every time I post a
question (although I still fail sometimes). The people who help here
are PROFESSIONALS and they are taking time away from their busy
schedules earning money in order to generously help others who are
professionals or trying to achieve that status.

As Paul has stated, it is obvious that you didn't do any homework --
meaning learning the basics. Now, if you had said something on the
order of "I am trying to teach myself PHP and I am confused on this
...........blah...... I looked on google doing a search with "foo bar",
but didn't find anything and I looked on www.php.net and must not be
searching it right. Can someone point me in the right direction?",
then, I think, the attitude of the people here -- who have been VBRY
helpful to me in the past -- would have been different. Rather, you
came across as someone who just didn't bother to even try to learn the
basics.

I don't know if it was your post or someone else's. The post I am
thinking of was where the OP asked what are those tags (<? and ?>). I
laughed (and then gave what I thought was a helpful answer). My
daughter, who is a web designer but knows essentially NO php (she knows
how to include a file) is visiting and I showed her that post. She
rolled on the floor laughing. As I said, I don't know whose post it
was. (At least in that one the poster had TRIED to google for the answer).

So, either do some homework first, develop a thicker skin or find
another pursuit.

lenbell wrote:
> Where is it writen that I can't "Top Post"

It is called "courtesy". Most people prefer to read replies immediately
after the post or section of post. That way it makes the most sense to
them. There is no Gestapo enforcing this. The only thing that happens
to people who are adamant in being discourteous when asked nicely to
please not top post is that their posts make their way to the
bit-bucket. If that is where you want your questions to wind up then,
by all means, top-post.

>
> Secondly I did get conciderable help

I hope that even with the DUH that I have been able to help you. Please
read my other reply to this thread. It says it all.

>
> Third - this is exactly the format I can read. Again you are showing your
> ignorance of dyslexia.

We all have problems. You have a handicap. Are you telling us that you
cannot follow my comments in THIS reply because I in-lined responded?

>
> Finally - I didn't realize you are the spokesman for the group

No one is the spokesman for the group. He is just saying what others
are thinking.

Once again, if I have helped you I am glad. If you were insulted by the
"DUH" or the PHP101, then do your homework first next time before you post.

lenbell wrote:
> "Paul Lautman" <paul.lautman@btinternet.com> wrote in message
> news:69u57vF33ie2eU1@mid.individual.net...
>> lenbell wrote:
>>> Or perhaps I should say Ladies and Gentlemen
>>>
>>> I am grateful for the help you have given me today and yesterday, but
>>> I have always been told that the only stupid question is the one you
>>> don't ask.
>>> Please indulge me for a minute and continue reading.
>>>
>>> I started writing Assembler on punch cards in 1964 to mainframes, then
>>> FORTRAN on punch cards to main frames, next circa 1980 I started
>>> programming on my Sinclair ZX80 in BASIC and machine code. Circa
>>> 1984 I started programming on my first IBM PC
>>> BASIC
>>>
>>> As time went on Pascal, dBase, FoxPro, (yes they both had languages
>>> as well as database) clipper (the version was called summer of 86)
>>> and then when Windows and the internet came around Delphi.
>>>
>>> I have made a living as a contract programmer for the last 22 years.
>>>
>>> I taught myself every language I know I had to because I'm dyslexic
>>> and can not learn like "Normal Folks"
>>>
>>> While I was using Clipper I used to help out on lots of newsgroups
>>> and I never told anyone.
>>> "Your questions fall into the DUH!!! category."
>>> "Your question(s) are pretty much an FAQ in the WYSIFA Forums."
>>> "Before I tried to program anything in php, I read the manual."
>>> "I know you are just learning and starting out, but this was rather
>>> basic." "What a cleverly selected Subject:!"
>>>
>>> My questions are probably stupid - at least to all you "Experts"
>>> But you know what? Real quick this all will click in my dyslexic
>>> little mind and then we'll see who's the export
>>>
>>> Len Bell
>> IT's not that your questions are stupid, it's that you obviously haven't
>> even bothered looking at the manual to discover the very basics.
>>
>> If you really did teach yourself all those languages, then you should be
>> at least starting with this one by making an effort to discover the very
>> basic steps, before asking for help.
>>
>
>
> I don't need to get into a pissing contest with you. It is very
> obvious you know nothing about dyslexia.
>
> I can't read paragraphs at a time my mind only grasps small bursts of
> written information and then I get confused. I teach myself by
> nibbling at this then that and sooner or later the entire language
> comes into focus. A function definition is ok but a chapter on a
> topic is beyond me.
>
> "If you really did teach yourself all those languages" What do I need
> to give you my resume?
>
> You know if my questions offend you why bother replying?
>
> Is it just that you can't feel big unless you make someone else feel
> small?
>
> Len Bell
>

(Top posting fixed)

I DO know something about dyslexia; I won't go into it, but I had a
personal connection with someone who was dyslexic many years ago.

But I also agree with Paul. You are using your dyslexia as an excuse
and a crutch. If you can understand it in the newsgroup, you can
understand much of it from the manual itself.

Your arrogance and plain asinine behavior is not endearing you to anyone
else here. And the fact you do have no problem reading and
understanding the posts here. That they are in a "format you can
understand" is an excuse.

Go ahead and keep up your behavior. It won't be long before most
everyone here plonks you and you get NO responses to any of your questions.

Here's a suggestion. Hire someone to tutor you (no, I don't do
tutoring). Then you can ask all of the stupid questions you want.

But we're volunteers here - and I'm with Paul - I'm not here to answer
questions you can easily look up in the manual.

And don't try using your dyslexia as an excuse for your laziness again.
It won't work because severely dyslexic people who can't understand
the manual can't understand posts here, either.

And don't top post.

--
==================
Remove the "x" from my email address
Jerry Stuckle
JDS Computer Training Corp.
jstucklex@attglobal.net
==================

lenbell a écrit :
> Where is it writen that I can't "Top Post"

to the bottom !
from the top
to read
it's easier
Because

Replies come *after* the quote they reply to, not before. It's just
common sense.

And by the way, someone being the only one to tell you something doesn't
mean he's the only one thinking that way.
It just means that other people that may second don't have anything
interesting to add except a basic useless "+1" post.

Regards,
--
Guillaume