PHP Jobs without degree? Do you know anywhere I can get them? [NOT SPAM]

On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 02:47:32 +0200, RageARC <ragearc@gmail.com> wrote:
> That's a new one for me. Zend Certificate was a failure? Why do you
> say so?

1. It costs the developer money.
2. I've never met an employer/contractor in my life that either knew or
cared about it.
3. Aside from that the level of competance needed to acquire the the
certificate is terribly low.
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Rik Wasmus

Oh thank you very much for that I thought that it was something like a
degree... I mean, Certified Engineer? Thanks for sparing me the
money ;).

Rik Wasmus wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 01:52:47 +0200, RageARC <ragearc@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I am an expert PHP developer (At least I consider myself one, seeing
>> that I have done several projects as a freelancer and have made
>> several big projects of my own), with 3 years of experience in PHP /
>> MySQL, XHTML / CSS and XML, and I would like to work on a PHP job that
>> didn't require me to have a degree. I wanted this because freelancing
>> is very unstable and I am always desperate to find out if I get a
>> project or not, and that is very bad for me. If you know of any place
>> where I can look / apply for jobs that don't want any B.S. in computer
>> sciences, or any other degree. I am very flexible with locations and
>> would live anywhere where I was needed to work in.
>
> Hehe, they're desperate over here. Learn dutch and live at Enschede,
> Netherlands :)

Rik,

I would love to live in Enchede - I LOVE the Netherlands. But I'm not
good with languages (including English :-) ).

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Rik Wasmus wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 01:52:47 +0200, RageARC <ragearc@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I am an expert PHP developer (At least I consider myself one, seeing
>> that I have done several projects as a freelancer and have made
>> several big projects of my own), with 3 years of experience in PHP /
>> MySQL, XHTML / CSS and XML, and I would like to work on a PHP job that
>> didn't require me to have a degree. I wanted this because freelancing
>> is very unstable and I am always desperate to find out if I get a
>> project or not, and that is very bad for me. If you know of any place
>> where I can look / apply for jobs that don't want any B.S. in computer
>> sciences, or any other degree. I am very flexible with locations and
>> would live anywhere where I was needed to work in.
>
> Hehe, they're desperate over here. Learn dutch and live at Enschede,
> Netherlands :)

A degree isn't necessarily a prerequisite here in the U.S., either -
although it helps. The prospective employer would be stupid to turn
away someone with several years of experience for a college graduate in
Philosophy.

Unfortunately, larger companies run their requirement through HR
departments, who have no clue.

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Yep, that's what bothers me. When I go to search jobs I see: BS in
computer sciences. I don't have BS or any other degree on anything,
and I'm still great in PHP. Moreover, I don't really think Computer
Sciences would help you in any way with PHP more than a Zend
Certificate...

RageARC wrote:
> Yep, that's what bothers me. When I go to search jobs I see: BS in
> computer sciences. I don't have BS or any other degree on anything,
> and I'm still great in PHP. Moreover, I don't really think Computer
> Sciences would help you in any way with PHP more than a Zend
> Certificate...
>

I don't have a degree and it's never stopped me from getting a job. But
then a CS degree from the early 70's wouldn't be worth much today,
anyway. Back then it was pretty much all Fortran Cobol or Assembler.
Punch cards and printers. No relational databases, no graphics...

Best is to network. If you get the right people interested in you, they
will get around the HR boondoggle to hire you.

I haven't gotten a job from an ad in well over 30 years.

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Ah nevermind I'll just keep investing in freelancer projects. They're
easier.

"Jerry Stuckle" <jstucklex@attglobal.net> wrote in message
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> I don't have a degree and it's never stopped me from getting a job. But
> then a CS degree from the early 70's wouldn't be worth much today, anyway.

Try getting a job in government or academia without one.

The Chief Engineer on my ship in the Navy had a degree in dance, for God's
sake.
That's what qualified him as a command officer, rather than a deck-ape.
A dance degree.

Damn though luck.

On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 16:23:22 +0200, Sanders Kaufman <bucky@kaufman.net>
wrote:

> "Jerry Stuckle" <jstucklex@attglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:17mdnWsc0-r-OGbbnZ2dnUVZ_t6onZ2d@comcast.com...
>
>> I don't have a degree and it's never stopped me from getting a job. But
>> then a CS degree from the early 70's wouldn't be worth much today,
>> anyway.
>
> Try getting a job in government or academia without one.
>
> The Chief Engineer on my ship in the Navy had a degree in dance, for
> God's
> sake.
> That's what qualified him as a command officer, rather than a deck-ape.
> A dance degree.

Well, with a dance degree he might well be a lot tougher to hit in
combat... Rule number one of guerilla warfare is to kill the officers
first, so that should be made as though as possible. I do get a lot of 'in
the navy/village people' associations though...

Why the 'Engineer' part totally escapes me though.
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Rik Wasmus