PHP vs ASP and JSP again.

Hey all,

I am just wondering why all people use PHP if ASP.NET and JSP
can offer better performance in a system requires a lot of operation
processing (in my own understanding, because .NET and Java business
components classes are pre-compiled already).

Thanks in advance.

Regards,
Tim Chung

Tim Chung <timothychung@gmail.com> wrote:
> I am just wondering why all people use PHP if ASP.NET and JSP
> can offer better performance in a system requires a lot of operation
> processing (in my own understanding, because .NET and Java business
> components classes are pre-compiled already).

You could find such discussions in the history of this (and various
others) group. But short and simple (IMHO):
-PHP the language is extremly simple
-PHP the environment is wide spread
-PHP is (more) multi platform.
-ASP.net, Java/Servlets/JSP come with a VM overhead, which could be
a huge impact on light weight machines.

Tim,

Many people use PHP for many reasons. A lot of people prefer that PHP
does not force OO upon the programmer, as OO is not suitable for all
programs.

The performance issue is an interesting one. In my own experience, PHP
is the fastest of the three, but I have only tested with a very small
set of scripts which are likely to be suited to PHP more than the
others. OO programs do tend to be slower. As an aside, you can
precompile your PHP scripts into bytecode so that the entire script
doesn't need to be compiled at runtime.

Rather than get into an in-depth discussion of this here, which is
bound to start a flame war, I'm instead going to point you to some
websites with more information on the topic:

== PHP vs. ASP.NET ==
http://www.blazonry.com/devnotes/phpasp1.php
http://www.oracle.com/technology/pub.../hull_asp.html and
http://www.oracle.com/technology/pub...hull_php2.html
http://www.sitepoint.com/article/php...-myths-exposed
http://librenix.com/?inode=4970

http://www.google.com/search?q=PHP+vs.+ASP.NET

== PHP vs. JSP ==
http://saloon.javaranch.com/60/000048.html
http://lists.evolt.org/archive/Week-...03/056868.html
http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/wlg/5155
http://www.caucho.com/articles/benchmark.xtp

http://www.google.com/search?q=PHP+vs.+JSP

Because PHP is extremely easy to program (though I am a JSP developer
not a .NET one) in comparison. It also has, far and away (IMHO) the
best resources and open source material on the internet - someone has
already done most of the hard work for you if you are any good at using
Google :)

Hosting is generally cheaper too- even premium/dedicated stuff.

PHP is also better understood by the current generation of developers.

I'm a JSP developer predominantly but have really come to appreciate
PHP - things are so easy in it that for small scale apps it is a good
choice. I also think that people overplay the performance issues - if
you have a good dedicated server for PHP it is not going to be much
different in speed than a JSP or .NET server.

If you want to start looking at larger scale apps then I would suggest
JSP/J2EE and .NET offer a better framework for developing, but not
because of performance - having precomiled classes & webpages as well
as strong typing mean that run time errors are much less likely to
happen.

Rick Huby
www.e-connected.com

thehuby wrote:

> Because PHP is extremely easy to program (though I am a JSP developer
> not a .NET one) in comparison. It also has, far and away (IMHO) the
> best resources and open source material on the internet - someone has
> already done most of the hard work for you if you are any good at using
> Google :)
>
<snip>
>
> I'm a JSP developer predominantly but have really come to appreciate
> PHP - things are so easy in it that for small scale apps it is a good
> choice. I also think that people overplay the performance issues - if
> you have a good dedicated server for PHP it is not going to be much
> different in speed than a JSP or .NET server.
>

Define scale.

In terms of dealing with huge volumes of throughput, PHP scales much more
easily across a cluster than JSP (no RMI overhead). It's just a matter of
throwing more iron at the problem. If you're Google, then hardware cost
will outweigh programmer time, but if you're Google you probably won't be
using JSP/ASP either.

> If you want to start looking at larger scale apps then I would suggest
> JSP/J2EE and .NET offer a better framework for developing, but not
> because of performance - having precomiled classes & webpages as well
> as strong typing mean that run time errors are much less likely to
> happen.
>

I think we had this debate already.

C.

You may want to check out our eXtc Web Developer product
(www.mgateway.com/php/mgw/ewd.php). Though it's currently tied to the
Cache database, the interesting thing about it is that it provides an
abstracted web application development approach that is end-technology
independent. So, from the Design Pages that define a web application,
eXtc Web Developer compiles the application into either PHP or JSP
(we're going to add ASP.net in the near future).

You can then choose the right platform (PHP or JSP) for your
application, or change downstream if/when the relative performance
benefits of the different run-time technologies change. And you don't
need cross-training in each technology or know or understand the
intricacies of PHP or JSP.




On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 09:13:46 GMT, Tim Chung <timothychung@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Hey all,
>
>I am just wondering why all people use PHP if ASP.NET and JSP
>can offer better performance in a system requires a lot of operation
>processing (in my own understanding, because .NET and Java business
>components classes are pre-compiled already).
>
>Thanks in advance.
>
>Regards,
>Tim Chung

---
Rob Tweed
M/Gateway Developments Ltd

Global DOMination with eXtc : http://www.mgateway.tzo.com
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Tim Chung wrote:

> Hey all,
>
> I am just wondering why all people use PHP if ASP.NET and JSP
> can offer better performance in a system requires a lot of operation
> processing (in my own understanding, because .NET and Java business
> components classes are pre-compiled already).

I work for a company that builds big (I mean BIIIIG) web applications for
transaction-based e-commerce business models. We are nearing completion of
the transition from ASP.Net to JSP. The reasons are two fold:
1. cross-platform support
2. due to #1, the ability to better tailor the hardware and software (OS)
for individual customer requirements.

What we've found is that performance between the two offerings was very
similar, but once we moved away from Windows+Intel[1] to Linux+AMD64 the
real performance advantages started to be obvious.

Java on 64bit platforms simply wins hands down in the bangs-per-buck stakes
when pitted against Windows on IA32. I guess that's rather obvious, but we
didn't expect to see performance gains in orders of magnitude for
throughput and 70-80% improvements is script runtime etc.

[1] Xeon 3GHz class machines - not toy P4's etc.

James
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there's nothing else to do.
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