Zend

Hi all

At the moment, I use Dreamweaver to develop the basics of my PHP stuff and
then hand tune anything that I need to. I'm now looking at the next level
and was wondering about Zend.

What I like about DW - from a lazy man's point of view - is that I can click
on a button to add loops or user authorisation or all sorts of other things
that would take me hours to hand code. Is the same sort of thing available
for Zend?

Cheers

Andy

"AJ" wrote:
> Hi all
>
> At the moment, I use Dreamweaver to develop the basics of my PHP
stuff
> and
> then hand tune anything that I need to. I’m now looking at the
> next level
> and was wondering about Zend.
>
> What I like about DW - from a lazy man’s point of view - is that
> I can click
> on a button to add loops or user authorisation or all sorts of
other
> things
> that would take me hours to hand code. Is the same sort of thing
> available
> for Zend?
>
> Cheers
>
> Andy

AJ, I am not too familiar with DW, but zend is primarily an IDE for
php. It can provide some assistance with html coding, but that is
probably much better done by DW.

The lazy aspects of zend relate to proposing variable names when you
type a few chars of their name, or telling you the argumnets of your
functions, etc. but that is for php.

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AJ wrote:
> Hi all
>
> At the moment, I use Dreamweaver to develop the basics of my PHP
> stuff and then hand tune anything that I need to. I'm now looking at
> the next level and was wondering about Zend.
>
> What I like about DW - from a lazy man's point of view - is that I
> can click on a button to add loops or user authorisation or all sorts
> of other things that would take me hours to hand code. Is the same
> sort of thing available for Zend?
>
> Cheers
>
> Andy

I tried the latest Zend Development client and am not really happy with it.
First of all it's a java client and that isn't really something I am all
that happy about and I have had several cases where an endless loop in a
script caused the debugger to crash, and I had to manually stop php in the
XP Taskmanager. Also it has some weird quirks, like when you go back into a
variable you already partly typed, it keeps trying to autocomplete the name.
Hard to precisely explain, but annoying. For 350 bucks I wasn't really
impressed.
Pjotr

steve <UseLinkToEmail@dbForumz.com> wrote in message news:<41126c29$1_4@news.athenanews.com>...
> "AJ" wrote:
> > Hi all
> >
> > At the moment, I use Dreamweaver to develop the basics of my PHP
> stuff
> > and
> > then hand tune anything that I need to. I?m now looking at the
> > next level
> > and was wondering about Zend.
> >
> > What I like about DW - from a lazy man?s point of view - is that
> > I can click
> > on a button to add loops or user authorisation or all sorts of
> other
> > things
> > that would take me hours to hand code. Is the same sort of thing
> > available
> > for Zend?
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Andy
>
> AJ, I am not too familiar with DW, but zend is primarily an IDE for
> php. It can provide some assistance with html coding, but that is
> probably much better done by DW.

IDE?

>
> The lazy aspects of zend relate to proposing variable names when you
> type a few chars of their name, or telling you the argumnets of your
> functions, etc. but that is for php.

See, with DW, it makes life very, very easy. Let's say I want a sign
up process where the visitor chooses a username and password. I also
want it to check the username field in the table to disallow
duplicates before it adds a new one. Once I've created the table, etc
using PHPMyAdmin, it would probably take me less than 5 minutes to
create the signup page, the error page and the success page.

I started learning PHP by hand coding it and got nowhere. Using DW
has meant that i can write some pretty good stuff and I just pull it
apart to work out what's going on. I learn much more like this.

AJ

"Pjotr Wedersteers" wrote:
> AJ wrote:
> > Hi all
> >
> > At the moment, I use Dreamweaver to develop the basics of my PHP
> > stuff and then hand tune anything that I need to. I’m now
> looking at
> > the next level and was wondering about Zend.
> >
> > What I like about DW - from a lazy man’s point of view - is
> that I
> > can click on a button to add loops or user authorisation or all
> sorts
> > of other things that would take me hours to hand code. Is the
same
> > sort of thing available for Zend?
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Andy
>
> I tried the latest Zend Development client and am not really happy
> with it.
> First of all it’s a java client and that isn’t really
> something I am all
> that happy about and I have had several cases where an endless loop
in
> a
> script caused the debugger to crash, and I had to manually stop php
in
> the
> XP Taskmanager. Also it has some weird quirks, like when you go
back
> into a
> variable you already partly typed, it keeps trying to autocomplete
the
> name.
> Hard to precisely explain, but annoying. For 350 bucks I wasn’t
> really
> impressed.
> Pjotr

Hi Pjotr,

I have used it for avg. 4-6 hours a day for the last 6 months. No
complaints. That is my personal experience. I run it on Windows.
The product may have problems, but one has to compare with the others
in the field. I was not impressed with the free stuff, and the
closest was Nusphere phped for $500 (zend was $250, has price gone
up?). I could not see a compelling reason to go to Nusphere.

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AJ wrote:

>>AJ, I am not too familiar with DW, but zend is primarily an IDE for
>>php. It can provide some assistance with html coding, but that is
>>probably much better done by DW.
>
>
> IDE?

IDE means Integrated Development Environment.. in plain english, it's
an application which assists a developer with writing code. it's
basically a collection of useful tools integrated into one package
(often with some form of GUI) which work together to make the
developer's life that little bit easier, and taking some of the pain out
of some of the really mundane tasks.

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"AJ" wrote:
> steve <UseLinkToEmail@dbForumz.com> wrote in message
> news:<41126c29
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> > "AJ" wrote:
> > > Hi all
> > >
> > > At the moment, I use Dreamweaver to develop the basics of
> my PHP
> > stuff
> > > and
> > > then hand tune anything that I need to. I?m now looking at
> the
> > > next level
> > > and was wondering about Zend.
> > >
> > > What I like about DW - from a lazy man?s point of view - is
> that
> > > I can click
> > > on a button to add loops or user authorisation or all sorts
> of
> > other
> > > things
> > > that would take me hours to hand code. Is the same sort of
> thing
> > > available
> > > for Zend?
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > >
> > > Andy
> >
> > AJ, I am not too familiar with DW, but zend is primarily an IDE
> for
> > php. It can provide some assistance with html coding, but that
> is
> > probably much better done by DW.
>
> IDE?
>
> >
> > The lazy aspects of zend relate to proposing variable names when
> you
> > type a few chars of their name, or telling you the argumnets of
> your
> > functions, etc. but that is for php.
>
> See, with DW, it makes life very, very easy. Let’s say I want a
> sign
> up process where the visitor chooses a username and password. I
also
> want it to check the username field in the table to disallow
> duplicates before it adds a new one. Once I’ve created the
> table, etc
> using PHPMyAdmin, it would probably take me less than 5 minutes to
> create the signup page, the error page and the success page.
>
> I started learning PHP by hand coding it and got nowhere. Using DW
> has meant that i can write some pretty good stuff and I just pull
it
> apart to work out what’s going on. I learn much more like this.
>
> AJ

That sounds great, AJ. The other approach is to find an existing
script, and then use a good PHP IDE to customize it to your need.

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steve wrote:
> "Pjotr Wedersteers" wrote:
> > AJ wrote:
> > > Hi all
> > >
> > > At the moment, I use Dreamweaver to develop the basics of my PHP
> > > stuff and then hand tune anything that I need to. I'm now
> > looking at
> > > the next level and was wondering about Zend.
> > >
> > > What I like about DW - from a lazy man's point of view - is
> > that I
> > > can click on a button to add loops or user authorisation or all
> > sorts
> > > of other things that would take me hours to hand code. Is the
> same
> > > sort of thing available for Zend?
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > >
> > > Andy
> >
> > I tried the latest Zend Development client and am not really happy
> > with it.
> > First of all it's a java client and that isn't really
> > something I am all
> > that happy about and I have had several cases where an endless loop
> in
> > a
> > script caused the debugger to crash, and I had to manually stop php
> in
> > the
> > XP Taskmanager. Also it has some weird quirks, like when you go
> back
> > into a
> > variable you already partly typed, it keeps trying to autocomplete
> the
> > name.
> > Hard to precisely explain, but annoying. For 350 bucks I wasn't
> > really
> > impressed.
> > Pjotr
>
> Hi Pjotr,
>
> I have used it for avg. 4-6 hours a day for the last 6 months. No
> complaints. That is my personal experience. I run it on Windows.
> The product may have problems, but one has to compare with the others
> in the field. I was not impressed with the free stuff, and the
> closest was Nusphere phped for $500 (zend was $250, has price gone
> up?). I could not see a compelling reason to go to Nusphere.

True, I haven't tested all the free ones yet (I had not too much confidence
in those and decided to try Zend first, as they are a big name in php), 350
was a typo, sorry. 249$ still. My bad.

Maybe I am spoilt and thus biased by those neat integrated environments like
..NET ide and Delphi and such. I could have checked the competition first.
Again, my bad.

Still, I am not really impressed. But opinions.... yup, I also have one of
those ;-)
Bye
Pjotr

"Pjotr Wedersteers" wrote:
> steve wrote:
> > "Pjotr Wedersteers" wrote:
> > > AJ wrote:
> > > > Hi all
> > > >
> > > > At the moment, I use Dreamweaver to develop the basics of my
> PHP
> > > > stuff and then hand tune anything that I need to. I’m
> now
> > > looking at
> > > > the next level and was wondering about Zend.
> > > >
> > > > What I like about DW - from a lazy man’s point of view -
> is
> > > that I
> > > > can click on a button to add loops or user authorisation or
all
> > > sorts
> > > > of other things that would take me hours to hand code. Is
the
> > same
> > > > sort of thing available for Zend?
> > > >
> > > > Cheers
> > > >
> > > > Andy
> > >
> > > I tried the latest Zend Development client and am not really
> happy
> > > with it.
> > > First of all it’s a java client and that isn’t really
> > > something I am all
> > > that happy about and I have had several cases where an endless
> loop
> > in
> > > a
> > > script caused the debugger to crash, and I had to manually
stop
> php
> > in
> > > the
> > > XP Taskmanager. Also it has some weird quirks, like when you
go
> > back
> > > into a
> > > variable you already partly typed, it keeps trying to
> autocomplete
> > the
> > > name.
> > > Hard to precisely explain, but annoying. For 350 bucks I
> wasn’t
> > > really
> > > impressed.
> > > Pjotr
> >
> > Hi Pjotr,
> >
> > I have used it for avg. 4-6 hours a day for the last 6 months.
No
> > complaints. That is my personal experience. I run it on
Windows.
> > The product may have problems, but one has to compare with the
> others
> > in the field. I was not impressed with the free stuff, and the
> > closest was Nusphere phped for 0 (zend was 0, has price gone
> > up?). I could not see a compelling reason to go to Nusphere.
>
> True, I haven’t tested all the free ones yet (I had not too much
> confidence
> in those and decided to try Zend first, as they are a big name in
> php), 350
> was a typo, sorry. 249$ still. My bad.
>
> Maybe I am spoilt and thus biased by those neat integrated
> environments like
> ..NET ide and Delphi and such. I could have checked the competition
> first.
> Again, my bad.
>
> Still, I am not really impressed. But opinions.... yup, I also have
> one of
> those
> Bye
> Pjotr

Hi Pjotr,
I also develop extensively in Visual InterDev (predec. to .Net but
similar). I find zend easier to develop in, and does not hang
(requiring reboot) every 30 minutes. ".Net" version of interdev is
much better I am sure.

What I find is that in php, there are so many great scripts already
written so there is very little need to develop "from scratch". So
a good IDE for me is not one that can develop an application, but one
that helps me single step into an existing code, add things here and
there, and breakpoint and debug. Perhpas my use model is a bit
different from one developing an app from scratch.

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"Pjotr Wedersteers" <x33159@westerterp.com> wrote in message news:<41128fbd$0$568$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>...
<snip>
> I tried the latest Zend Development client and am not really happy with it.
> First of all it's a java client and that isn't really something I am all
> that happy about and I have had several cases where an endless loop in a
> script caused the debugger to crash, and I had to manually stop php in the
> XP Taskmanager. Also it has some weird quirks, like when you go back into a
> variable you already partly typed, it keeps trying to autocomplete the name.
> Hard to precisely explain, but annoying. For 350 bucks I wasn't really
> impressed.

It's a well known fact that Zend is slowy. The Java client could
have saved the time of developers for cross platform issues, but not
the users.

You may try PHPEdit (not free now) or PHP Coder (free) or devphp
(free).

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