Zend

"R. Rajesh Jeba Anb" wrote:
> "Pjotr Wedersteers" <x33159@westerterp.com> wrote in message
> news:<41128fbd[quote:6a6a759adb="R. Rajesh Jeba Anb"]"Pjotr Wedersteers" <x33159@westerterp.com> wrote in message news:<41128fbd$0$568$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>...
<snip>
> I tried the latest Zend Development client and am not really happy
with it.
> First of all it’s a java client and that isn’t really something I am
all
> that happy about and I have had several cases where an endless loop
in a
> script caused the debugger to crash, and I had to manually stop php
in the
> XP Taskmanager. Also it has some weird quirks, like when you go back
into a
> variable you already partly typed, it keeps trying to autocomplete
the name.
> Hard to precisely explain, but annoying. For 350 bucks I wasn’t
really
> impressed.

It’s a well known fact that Zend is slowy. The Java client could
have saved the time of developers for cross platform issues, but not
the users.

You may try PHPEdit (not free now) or PHP Coder (free) or devphp
(free).
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> <snip>
> > I tried the latest Zend Development client and am not really
> happy with it.
> > First of all it’s a java client and that isn’t really
> something I am all
> > that happy about and I have had several cases where an endless
> loop in a
> > script caused the debugger to crash, and I had to manually stop
> php in the
> > XP Taskmanager. Also it has some weird quirks, like when you go
> back into a
> > variable you already partly typed, it keeps trying to
> autocomplete the name.
> > Hard to precisely explain, but annoying. For 350 bucks I
> wasn’t really
> > impressed.
>
> It’s a well known fact that Zend is slowy. The Java client
> could
> have saved the time of developers for cross platform issues, but
not
> the users.
>
> You may try PHPEdit (not free now) or PHP Coder (free) or devphp
> (free).
>

Yes, zend could be faster. Perhpas I’ve got used to it, as it does
not bother me, but everyone should try to see if it is fast enough for
them.

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AJ wrote:

> Hi all
>
> At the moment, I use Dreamweaver to develop the basics of my PHP stuff and
> then hand tune anything that I need to. I'm now looking at the next level
> and was wondering about Zend.
>
> What I like about DW - from a lazy man's point of view - is that I can
> click on a button to add loops or user authorisation or all sorts of other
> things
> that would take me hours to hand code. Is the same sort of thing
> available for Zend?
>
> Cheers
>
> Andy

Man. I can only say eww. First, Windows, eww. Second, using what you see
is what you get, eww.

eww.


Ok, that's not very descriptive and I'm now trying to be nicer on Usenet.
The advantage of doing everything by hand is it makes the code more
familiar to you and after more practice you can become very skilled and
quite flexible and innovative. It doesn't "take a long time" once you are
good at it. You can also build up your own libraries of functions, code and
objects and include them using "include_once('filename');"

I would never use Windows unless I needed to test Web sites in Internet
Explorer, but i'd do all the development and everything else on Linux.
Linux has some good editors: vi, emacs -- and if you are not ready for that
you could use Quantas, or kdevelop or even kwrite.

Though, on Windows, there is always notepad.

commercial, permmicial,

Things are commercial because people want to sell stuff, doesn't mean you
should buy it.

Mudge

Pjotr Wedersteers wrote:
> steve wrote:
>> "Pjotr Wedersteers" wrote:
>> > AJ wrote:
>> > > Hi all
>>>> Hi Pjotr,
>>
>> I have used it for avg. 4-6 hours a day for the last 6 months. No
>> complaints. That is my personal experience. I run it on Windows.
>> The product may have problems, but one has to compare with the others
>> in the field. I was not impressed with the free stuff, and the
>> closest was Nusphere phped for $500 (zend was $250, has price gone
>> up?). I could not see a compelling reason to go to Nusphere.
>
> True, I haven't tested all the free ones yet (I had not too much
> confidence in those and decided to try Zend first, as they are a big
> name in php), 350 was a typo, sorry. 249$ still. My bad.
>

Update: downloaded PHPEdit 1.0.3.68 and since I am not doing any commercial
stuff with it applied for and received a FREE personal license for this one.
I'm not yet fully a friend of the debugger, (you?) but the look and feel on
a whole are promising to say the least. And it has HTML output too, as well
as regular console. Speed is ok. Code beautifier is great. Help files could
be better/more complete, agreed. Sure looks to be a true competitor for
Zend. Which is good I think!

AFAIAC, recommended to try!
Best!
Pjotr

"Pjotr Wedersteers" wrote:
> Pjotr Wedersteers wrote:
> > steve wrote:
> >> "Pjotr Wedersteers" wrote:
> >> > AJ wrote:
> >> > > Hi all
> >>>> Hi Pjotr,
> >>
> >> I have used it for avg. 4-6 hours a day for the last 6 months.
No
> >> complaints. That is my personal experience. I run it on
Windows.
> >> The product may have problems, but one has to compare with the
> others
> >> in the field. I was not impressed with the free stuff, and the
> >> closest was Nusphere phped for 0 (zend was 0, has price gone
> >> up?). I could not see a compelling reason to go to Nusphere.
> >
> > True, I haven’t tested all the free ones yet (I had not too
> much
> > confidence in those and decided to try Zend first, as they are a
big
> > name in php), 350 was a typo, sorry. 249$ still. My bad.
> >
>
> Update: downloaded PHPEdit 1.0.3.68 and since I am not doing any
> commercial
> stuff with it applied for and received a FREE personal license for
> this one.
> I’m not yet fully a friend of the debugger, (you?) but the look
> and feel on
> a whole are promising to say the least. And it has HTML output too,
as
> well
> as regular console. Speed is ok. Code beautifier is great. Help
files
> could
> be better/more complete, agreed. Sure looks to be a true competitor
> for
> Zend. Which is good I think!
>
> AFAIAC, recommended to try!
> Best!
> Pjotr

Last I looked at phpedit was 6 months ago, so I am glad that the
product is now in good shape. It was then a bit too rought for my
taste. So my recommendation is to try phpedit first (since it is
free), if it does not work for you, go to zend.

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