PHP IDEs HEEEELP!

Iky <ja@nee.com> wrote in message news:<3f7569ce$0$5774$edd6591c@news.versatel.net>. ..
> AgustinD wrote:
> > I'm looking for a very-good-lot-featured PHP IDE, i've found a lot of
> > IDEs that support php syntax, but i can't find the best or the ide
> > that has all the features to satisfy a professional PHP developer
> > needs. There's some IDE that supports mysql tables to generate my php
> > forms with a few clicks?
>
> professional PHP developers don't need to have wizards/generators
> Wizard user != professional PHP developer

Do you remember all attributes of all HTML tags and all ways to
combine CSS selectors and all CSS attributes ?

And by the way he didn't ask for something helping HTML. A good ide
has a lot more features to move around in the hundrets of PHP files
that are in a larger project.

Lothar Scholz wrote:
> Iky <ja@nee.com> wrote in message news:<3f7569ce$0$5774$edd6591c@news.versatel.net>. ..
>
>>AgustinD wrote:
>>
>>>I'm looking for a very-good-lot-featured PHP IDE, i've found a lot of
>>>IDEs that support php syntax, but i can't find the best or the ide
>>>that has all the features to satisfy a professional PHP developer
>>>needs. There's some IDE that supports mysql tables to generate my php
>>>forms with a few clicks?
>>
>>professional PHP developers don't need to have wizards/generators
>>Wizard user != professional PHP developer
>
>
> Do you remember all attributes of all HTML tags and all ways to
> combine CSS selectors and all CSS attributes ?

I don't have to, I am a programmers. Designers do the design stuff

> And by the way he didn't ask for something helping HTML. A good ide
> has a lot more features to move around in the hundrets of PHP files
> that are in a larger project.
Nobody mentioned html

I think the point is, that if an IDE with syntax highlighting, code
completion, debugging, and other standard programming IDE tools is not
enough .. then perhaps the project should be outsourced if there is no
time to learn php ... I sincerely doubt that there is a drag and drop,
php - mysql code generator .... or even point and click .... although
not a programming language, php does require the creation of functions,
etc ...
it is a FAR cry from using html .. and it uses functions .. not "tags" ...
so it demands more knowledge from the user ..... seems as though Iky is
looking for a development environment that does not require at least a
modest knowledge of php and programming concepts ....

my two cents ...
dp

Lothar Scholz wrote:

> Iky <ja@nee.com> wrote in message news:<3f7569ce$0$5774$edd6591c@news.versatel.net>. ..
>
>>AgustinD wrote:
>>
>>>I'm looking for a very-good-lot-featured PHP IDE, i've found a lot of
>>>IDEs that support php syntax, but i can't find the best or the ide
>>>that has all the features to satisfy a professional PHP developer
>>>needs. There's some IDE that supports mysql tables to generate my php
>>>forms with a few clicks?
>>
>>professional PHP developers don't need to have wizards/generators
>>Wizard user != professional PHP developer
>
>
> Do you remember all attributes of all HTML tags and all ways to
> combine CSS selectors and all CSS attributes ?
>
> And by the way he didn't ask for something helping HTML. A good ide
> has a lot more features to move around in the hundrets of PHP files
> that are in a larger project.

Correction,
it isn't Iky who's looking ... it doesn't really matter what the name is
... just hope he/she realises that there is more to php than tags and
wysiwyg code generation.
dp

D Perri wrote:

> I think the point is, that if an IDE with syntax highlighting, code
> completion, debugging, and other standard programming IDE tools is not
> enough .. then perhaps the project should be outsourced if there is no
> time to learn php ... I sincerely doubt that there is a drag and drop,
> php - mysql code generator .... or even point and click .... although
> not a programming language, php does require the creation of functions,
> etc ...
> it is a FAR cry from using html .. and it uses functions .. not "tags" ...
> so it demands more knowledge from the user ..... seems as though Iky is
> looking for a development environment that does not require at least a
> modest knowledge of php and programming concepts ....
>
> my two cents ...
> dp
>
> Lothar Scholz wrote:
>
>> Iky <ja@nee.com> wrote in message
>> news:<3f7569ce$0$5774$edd6591c@news.versatel.net>. ..
>>
>>> AgustinD wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm looking for a very-good-lot-featured PHP IDE, i've found a lot of
>>>> IDEs that support php syntax, but i can't find the best or the ide
>>>> that has all the features to satisfy a professional PHP developer
>>>> needs. There's some IDE that supports mysql tables to generate my php
>>>> forms with a few clicks?
>>>
>>>
>>> professional PHP developers don't need to have wizards/generators
>>> Wizard user != professional PHP developer
>>
>>
>>
>> Do you remember all attributes of all HTML tags and all ways to
>> combine CSS selectors and all CSS attributes ?
>>
>> And by the way he didn't ask for something helping HTML. A good ide
>> has a lot more features to move around in the hundrets of PHP files
>> that are in a larger project.
>
>

Iky <ja@nee.com> wrote in message news:<3f75e42a$0$5769$edd6591c@news.versatel.net>. ..
> Matthias Esken wrote:
> > Iky <ja@nee.com> schrieb:
> >
> >
> >>AgustinD wrote:
> >>
> >>>I'm looking for a very-good-lot-featured PHP IDE, i've found a lot of
> >>>IDEs that support php syntax, but i can't find the best or the ide
> >>>that has all the features to satisfy a professional PHP developer
> >>>needs. There's some IDE that supports mysql tables to generate my php
> >>>forms with a few clicks?
> >>
> >>professional PHP developers don't need to have wizards/generators
> >>Wizard user != professional PHP developer
> >
> >
> > Seems pretty strange. What about UML modeling and code generation?
>
> nah, somebody who needs a wizard for MySql tables just isn't ready for UML

Sorry, you're wrong. I don't need a wizard for mysql tables. Maybe you
have all the day available for one little job, or don't have anything
to do than write very useful messages. But if I (and a lot of
developers too) use a wizard for mysql or anything, it could be to
save time, because I know exactly how to write a query.
do you understand what i'm telling you?

"D Perri" <d.perri@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:bl5610$q9i$1@woodrow.ucdavis.edu...
> I think the point is, that if an IDE with syntax highlighting, code
> completion, debugging, and other standard programming IDE tools is not
> enough .. then perhaps the project should be outsourced if there is no
> time to learn php ... I sincerely doubt that there is a drag and drop,
> php - mysql code generator .... or even point and click .... although
> not a programming language,

WHOA! EXCUSE ME! PHP most definitely IS a programming language as it enables
programmers to write programs in source code which can then be turned into
machine language and executed. As it is a scripting language each 'source'
file is parsed and validated at runtime instead of being compiled and linked
into an executable beforehand (as with more traditional languages). The fact
that it is not pre-compiled does not mean that it is not a programming
language.

Please get your facts straight.

Tony Marston
http://www.tonymarston.net/

> php does require the creation of functions, etc ...
> it is a FAR cry from using html .. and it uses functions .. not "tags" ...
> so it demands more knowledge from the user ..... seems as though Iky is
> looking for a development environment that does not require at least a
> modest knowledge of php and programming concepts ....
>
> my two cents ...
> dp
>
> Lothar Scholz wrote:
>
> > Iky <ja@nee.com> wrote in message
news:<3f7569ce$0$5774$edd6591c@news.versatel.net>. ..
> >
> >>AgustinD wrote:
> >>
> >>>I'm looking for a very-good-lot-featured PHP IDE, i've found a lot of
> >>>IDEs that support php syntax, but i can't find the best or the ide
> >>>that has all the features to satisfy a professional PHP developer
> >>>needs. There's some IDE that supports mysql tables to generate my php
> >>>forms with a few clicks?
> >>
> >>professional PHP developers don't need to have wizards/generators
> >>Wizard user != professional PHP developer
> >
> >
> > Do you remember all attributes of all HTML tags and all ways to
> > combine CSS selectors and all CSS attributes ?
> >
> > And by the way he didn't ask for something helping HTML. A good ide
> > has a lot more features to move around in the hundrets of PHP files
> > that are in a larger project.
>

AgustinD wrote:
> I'm looking for a very-good-lot-featured PHP IDE, i've found a lot of
> IDEs that support php syntax, but i can't find the best or the ide
> that has all the features to satisfy a professional PHP developer
> needs. There's some IDE that supports mysql tables to generate my php
> forms with a few clicks?
> Please developers let me know what are you using.
> Thanks a lot!


I like Newsphere phpED. It's expensive -- around $300 -- but seems worth
it to me considering the quality and the feature set. It does indeed
have a wizard for creating forms linked to MySQL tables. The resulting
forms include configurable JavaScript validation. However, I haven't
used the form wizard so I can't how well it actually works in practice.
I can say that all the features I have used regularly work well.

I know that Zend Studio is supposed to be great. I installed in and
found it clunky and difficult to use. But that's a subjective statement.
Lots of people swear by it.

I also installed Maguma on Win XP and had a really bad experience with
that. I was irritated that the Maguma website offers a free light
edition, then after you install it you find out that it will only
function on projects with 20 or fewer separate files -- so in effect
it's next to useless. (Actually the number of files may be something
other than 20, but in any case it's a severe limit.) There's nothing
wrong with crippleware as long as you let people know what the
limitations are before they spend time downloading and installing. It
was presented as usable software when in fact it wasn't. Also, I found
that it would open dialog boxes behind editing windows, and there didn't
seem to be a way to get them to the foreground. I've seen at least a
couple people recommend it, so evidentally works well in some cases.

Phester

> AgustinD wrote:
> I like Newsphere phpED. It's expensive -- around $300 -- but seems worth
> it to me considering the quality and the feature set.

Actually, I found $495 phped advantage licenses
(http://www.nusphere.com/products/) much less expensive. At this price
you get current version and 2 versions that will be released during a
year after purchasing. So, it costs only $495/3 = $165/license.
"Subscription" to the next year 2 versions costs only $199 or
$99/license. Don't forget about free support guaranteed in this case.
So you see it's much cheaper. Don't forget that if you need more than
one copy, all additional licenses can be purchased at price of $50.

My company works with NuSphere products since 2001 and we found their
service reliable and their support is constantly very fast and
efficient. Don't treat it as an advertising, these are just the honest
words I believe Nusphere deserved.

JVlad <J-Vladimir AT yandex DOT ru>