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Old 06-16-2007
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Default Are IP addresses reliable?

I wanna know that is there a way to forge someone's IP address? for example, I have a client with an static ip address, and she is a superuser. Can i rely on her IP address? or somebody else can forge her IP? I don't want her to enter a username and a password..
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Old 06-16-2007
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On 6/16/07, PHP Developer <developerphp@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I wanna know that is there a way to forge someone's IP address? for example, I have a client with an static ip address, and she is a superuser. Can i rely on her IP address? or somebody else can forge her IP? I don't want her to enter a username and a password..
> Cheers,
> Daniel


Only if she is running a proxy server, or has her computer open in
some way that someone can connect through her computer, then somebody
can use her IP. else it is fine to rely on her IP.

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Old 06-16-2007
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On Sat, 16 Jun 2007, PHP Developer wrote:

> I wanna know that is there a way to forge someone's IP address? for
> example, I have a client with an static ip address, and she is a
> superuser. Can i rely on her IP address? or somebody else can forge her
> IP? I don't want her to enter a username and a password..


For purposes of above question only (and assuming application is PHP and
thus running on HTTP which is TCP-based protocol) the answer is that you
can rely on the ip address. For general purposes the answer is you can
forge ip address and can not rely on them (due to NAT and other issues)
but its very very not easy and a lot depends on protocol in question.

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Old 06-17-2007
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On 6/16/07, william(at)elan.net <william@elan.net> wrote:
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> On Sat, 16 Jun 2007, PHP Developer wrote:
>
> > I wanna know that is there a way to forge someone's IP address? for
> > example, I have a client with an static ip address, and she is a
> > superuser. Can i rely on her IP address? or somebody else can forge her
> > IP? I don't want her to enter a username and a password..

>
> For purposes of above question only (and assuming application is PHP and
> thus running on HTTP which is TCP-based protocol) the answer is that you
> can rely on the ip address. For general purposes the answer is you can
> forge ip address and can not rely on them (due to NAT and other issues)
> but its very very not easy and a lot depends on protocol in question.
>
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> Elan Networks
> william@elan.net
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If it's something very mission-critical and/or top secret, NEVER
strictly rely on the IP. In fact, IP spoofing is one of the very
basic fundamentals in "hackology" and is not only rather easy to do,
but also rather common. I'd suggest doing a hash of the system
(similar to what the default SSH client on Linux does) and using that,
which is a lot more difficult to duplicate.

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