Re: [PHP] Recomended host

I'm going to be controversial here and take issue with both of you.

1. The original question was about a hosting provider. Presumably a PHP web hosting provider. So it is vaguely on-topic and is a question that's asked a lot. It's easy to get a list of hosting providers online, but I believe the intent was to ask for people's opinions on providers they've used and to give testimonials (which you won't always find on hosting lists).

2. Pointing out someone's signature as being off topic is even further off topic for this list. Please take personal issues into private email. I bring it up publicly as a reminder of proper list etiquette for anyone who happens to be reading this thread and to discourge this from going any further publicly.

Now.. back to the original question.

If the original poster (Roman) would take a look at the list of ISP and ISP directories at the bottom of the following page, he should find a good starting place for his search:

http://us3.php.net/links.php

Myself, I've used Dixiesys.com and Dotster.com when I havn't been playing with my own server or something internal to whatever company I happened to be working for.

Dixie is a small operation that served me very well for quite a while and stil has some features that I miss. They have very personal support (even an IM and IRC point of contact pretty much 24/7).

Dotster actually has a pretty nice and affordable setup. They let me put all my domains under one hosting umbrella and share storage space and bandwidth. That's something I was looking for and has saved me a lot of money by letting me have one hosting package for as many domains as I care to register.

I personally don't have any mailing list requirements so can't really speak on that if that's one of your big "needs", but keep looking and checking features. Hopefully you'll find what you need.

-TG


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At 7:29 PM +0000 12/18/06, Roman Neuhauser wrote:
># rbpphp@gmail.com / 2006-12-18 08:56:09 -0600:
>> Someone can recomend me a good host provider, with good stability, good
>> support, good features, and no limitation in the use of a list of
>> members...?
>
>Mailing list hosting queries are OT on php-general@.
>
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>How many Vietnam vets does it take to screw in a light bulb?
>You don't know, man. You don't KNOW.
>Cause you weren't THERE. http://bash.org/?255991

I certainly don't find his post as off-topic as your signature. As a
Vietnam Vet, I think we've taken enough bashing from people like you.
Considering that you wouldn't say that face-to-face to a Vietnam
Veteran speaks volumes about you.

tedd
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# tg-php@gryffyndevelopment.com / 2006-12-18 15:50:07 -0500:
> I'm going to be controversial here and take issue with both of you.
>
> 1. The original question was about a hosting provider. Presumably a
> PHP web hosting provider.

The mail again:

# rbpphp@gmail.com / 2006-12-18 08:56:09 -0600:
: Hello.
: I'm looking for a host to put my website.
: I was looking godaddy.com, but i read in phplist forum that godaddy
: have limitations in the number of mail to send per day.
:
: Someone can recomend me a good host provider, with good stability,
: good support, good features, and no limitation in the use of a list of
: members...?
:
: Thanks

Sorry, but even as I'm rereading the mail for an umpteenth time, this
guy is looking for a mailing list hosting. And *that* is OT.

http://www.google.com/search?q=mailing+list+hosting

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How many Vietnam vets does it take to screw in a light bulb?
You don't know, man. You don't KNOW.
Cause you weren't THERE. http://bash.org/?255991

At 3:50 PM -0500 12/18/06, <tg-php@gryffyndevelopment.com> wrote:
>I'm going to be controversial here and take issue with both of you.
>
>2. Pointing out someone's signature as being off topic is even
>further off topic for this list. Please take personal issues into
>private email. I bring it up publicly as a reminder of proper list
>etiquette for anyone who happens to be reading this thread and to
>discourge this from going any further publicly.

tg:

As Jochem said "off-topic" cuts both ways.

If Mr Neuhauser wants to continually insult a group of people on this
list, which is not only offensive but certainly off-topic for this
list; and also wants to reprimand a poster for his post as being
off-topic; then I should be able to point out the hypocrisy of his
actions without being reminded of "proper list etiquette."

And while we're on the subject of "proper list etiquette" -- where
have you been? Do you think his post since he joined this list are an
example of "proper list etiquette"?

I find it unfortunate that this list permits such flame bait
signatures -- but, that's not the point here. The point is that if
Mr Neuhauser wants to correct people for their post being off-topic,
then he should follow his own advice and clean up his own post or
face critical peer review.

tedd

PS: Be as controversial as you want, this list isn't moderated -- but
I think I know where the majority will draw their line in the sand on
this issue -- for they are good well intended people who don't want
to deliberately hurt others. In other words, they have compassion,
which is apparently absent in Mr Neuhauser and most certainly not
absent in "proper list etiquette".
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tedd wrote:
> At 3:50 PM -0500 12/18/06, <tg-php@gryffyndevelopment.com> wrote:
>> I'm going to be controversial here and take issue with both of you.
>>
>> 2. Pointing out someone's signature as being off topic is even further
>> off topic for this list. Please take personal issues into private
>> email. I bring it up publicly as a reminder of proper list etiquette
>> for anyone who happens to be reading this thread and to discourge this
>> from going any further publicly.
>
> tg:
>
> As Jochem said "off-topic" cuts both ways.

I said *many* ways :-) - heck if there were only 2 ways to rip someone
a proverbial new one things would get boring around here :-P

....

>
> tedd
>
> PS: Be as controversial as you want, this list isn't moderated -- but I

that's a challenge ... not that I needed it, I have to admit to indulging
in more than my fair share of boundary pushing in terms of exceptable
list behaviour ...

> think I know where the majority will draw their line in the sand on this
> issue -- for they are good well intended people who don't want to
> deliberately hurt others. In other words, they have compassion, which is
> apparently absent in Mr Neuhauser and most certainly not absent in
> "proper list etiquette".

I guess if I start baiting all 3 of you (Roman, tedd, tg) that would
not be constructive? no probably not :-)

from my stance, I don't give 2 hoots about Roman's sig, Roman's reply style
sometimes leaves a little to be desired [hey where would we be without desire ;-)]
but he has offered good technical stuff, I very much sympathise with anyone
who has had the misfortune to experience the horrors of war and I think it is something
that does deserve maybe a tad more compassion than an off-topic post
(a species we might consider that compassion is one step into a future with
less/no war - might be worth the effort?), I feel that TG's comments had merit
also, nothing wrong with trying to encourage 'decent' list behaviour (however
difficult it might be to come to a consensus given the wide range of cultures
present), lastly you should realise that these are just my opinions as of
the time of writing and I reserve the right to contradict myself at anytime in
future as and when I see fit - woman's perogative!

crap - I'm not a woman :-/

in the spirit of christmas (and because this is the php generals list - i.e. a bunch
of pragmatic village idiot hackers) let all shake hands, laugh it off and move on
to the next off-topic thread :-)

Merry Christmas Everyone! and I mean everyone (even Eight-of-Nine ;-)

At 9:52 PM +0100 12/19/06, Jochem Maas wrote:
>I guess if I start baiting all 3 of you (Roman, tedd, tg) that would
>not be constructive? no probably not :-)
>
>from my stance, I don't give 2 hoots about Roman's sig, Roman's reply style
>sometimes leaves a little to be desired...

From my stance, I've been called worse and sometimes deservedly so.

But, let's end it this way. This list is too small to employ a
full-time village idiot, so we all take turns. Whenever I see Roman's
sig, I'll figure it's his day.

Cheers,

tedd

PS: Happy Holidays everyone.
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On Tuesday 19 December 2006 21:52, Jochem Maas wrote:
> tedd wrote:
> > At 3:50 PM -0500 12/18/06, <tg-php@gryffyndevelopment.com> wrote:
> >> I'm going to be controversial here and take issue with both of you.
> >>
> >> 2. Pointing out someone's signature as being off topic is even further
> >> off topic for this list. Please take personal issues into private
> >> email. I bring it up publicly as a reminder of proper list etiquette
> >> for anyone who happens to be reading this thread and to discourge this
> >> from going any further publicly.
> >
> > tg:
> >
> > As Jochem said "off-topic" cuts both ways.
>
> I said *many* ways :-) - heck if there were only 2 ways to rip someone
> a proverbial new one things would get boring around here :-P
>
> ...
>
> > tedd
> >
> > PS: Be as controversial as you want, this list isn't moderated -- but I
>
> that's a challenge ... not that I needed it, I have to admit to indulging
> in more than my fair share of boundary pushing in terms of exceptable
> list behaviour ...
>
> > think I know where the majority will draw their line in the sand on this
> > issue -- for they are good well intended people who don't want to
> > deliberately hurt others. In other words, they have compassion, which is
> > apparently absent in Mr Neuhauser and most certainly not absent in
> > "proper list etiquette".
>
> I guess if I start baiting all 3 of you (Roman, tedd, tg) that would
> not be constructive? no probably not :-)
>
> from my stance, I don't give 2 hoots about Roman's sig, Roman's reply style
> sometimes leaves a little to be desired [hey where would we be without
> desire ;-)] but he has offered good technical stuff, I very much sympathise
> with anyone who has had the misfortune to experience the horrors of war and
> I think it is something that does deserve maybe a tad more compassion than
> an off-topic post (a species we might consider that compassion is one step
> into a future with less/no war - might be worth the effort?), I feel that
> TG's comments had merit also, nothing wrong with trying to encourage
> 'decent' list behaviour (however difficult it might be to come to a
> consensus given the wide range of cultures present), lastly you should
> realise that these are just my opinions as of the time of writing and I
> reserve the right to contradict myself at anytime in future as and when I
> see fit - woman's perogative!
>
> crap - I'm not a woman :-/
>
> in the spirit of christmas (and because this is the php generals list -
> i.e. a bunch of pragmatic village idiot hackers) let all shake hands, laugh
> it off and move on to the next off-topic thread :-)
>
> Merry Christmas Everyone! and I mean everyone (even Eight-of-Nine ;-)


bah, I refuse to be the last BADman on this list before christmas, the last
week trip to Prague really helped on the bloody selfesteam.
Yeh, so on to the point. Sorry for any bad words to the loving jocheem maas.
You hear that,, I said I'm sorry

:D

Merry Christmas.



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Børge Holen wrote:
> On Tuesday 19 December 2006 21:52, Jochem Maas wrote:
>> tedd wrote:

....

>
> bah, I refuse to be the last BADman on this list before christmas, the last
> week trip to Prague really helped on the bloody selfesteam.
> Yeh, so on to the point. Sorry for any bad words to the loving jocheem maas.

it seems I've been rebadged with an arabic name :-P (only 1 'e' in 'jochem')

> You hear that,, I said I'm sorry

I'll accept the apology - although it wasn't necessary, I wasn't in the
least upset with you :-)

the 'borg' reference was just meant as a bit of gentle ribbing - a list
initiation rite of sorts - must say you just passed with flying colours.

welcome to the club :-), look forward to seeing more of you (& your php knowhow)
in the new year.

have a good holiday!

PS - if in future I happen to transcribe the 'ø' in 'Børge' to an 'o'
it's purely down to laziness - no more StarTrek jibes intended :-)

PPS - references to futile resistance and assimilation aren't directed at you,
but you must realise us phpbots are busy taking over the web with php
(see here for more info: http://netevil.org/wiki.php?PlansForWorldDomination)

>
> :D
>
> Merry Christmas.
>

thats enough off topic madness from me - well for today at least :D