Re: [PHP] Add Reply-To to this list(s)

>
> What's the problem with the "Reply All" button?
>

Which of the following words you just don't
understand: *some mail clients (eg yahoo) do not have
a "Reply All" button"?


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On Wednesday 26 November 2003 15:30, Panos Konstantinidis wrote:
> > What's the problem with the "Reply All" button?
>
> Which of the following words you just don't
> understand: *some mail clients (eg yahoo) do not have
> a "Reply All" button"?

Not sure if you're using the same Yahoo as I do, but my one has a [Reply All]
button. But that's besides the point. The point is, if your mail client of
choice is broken, get a better one.

Breaking the list to cater for broken mail clients is a ludicrous suggestion.

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Okay, I thought I won't be posting again for this thread
but...

On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 23:30:37 -0800 (PST)
Panos Konstantinidis <girionis@yahoo.com> wrote:

> >
> > What's the problem with the "Reply All" button?
> >
>
> Which of the following words you just don't
> understand: *some mail clients (eg yahoo) do not have
> a "Reply All" button"?

Which of the following words you just don't understand: The
"Reply All" button is just BESIDE (on the right side) of the
"Reply" button!

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> Which of the following words you just don't
> understand: The
> "Reply All" button is just BESIDE (on the right
> side) of the
> "Reply" button!

There is not such a button.

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>
> Breaking the list to cater for broken mail clients
> is a ludicrous suggestion.

Do you think lame "arguments" like the following
aren't?

(from http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html)

"Some administrators justify Reply-To munging by
saying, "All responses should go directly to the list
anyway." This is arrogant. "

(while sending a personal e-mail and noone else has
a chance to find about a particular problem and a
solution is not arrogant. I wonder what's the point of
mailing lists then?)

"You should allow *me* to decide exactly how I wish to
respond to a message."

(This counterbalances our "add a reply-to-all"
functionality messages. Probably the author didn't
take into account that *I* should also be allowed to
reply to all people and that this should be *my*
choice)


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...and then Panos Konstantinidis said...
%
% >
% > What's the problem with the "Reply All" button?
%
% Which of the following words you just don't
% understand: *some mail clients (eg yahoo) do not have
% a "Reply All" button"?

Which of the following words do you not understand?

GET A BETTER MAIL CLIENT


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--- Panos Konstantinidis <girionis@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Which of the following words you just don't
> > understand: The "Reply All" button is just BESIDE
> > (on the right side) of the "Reply" button!
>
> There is not such a button.

They tricked you and changed this recently. When you click the "Reply"
button, you will be shown "Reply to Sender" and "Reply to Everyone". Pick
whichever one is appropriate.

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Dave T-G said:
> Perhaps you've simply missed the point. By not mandating a certain
R-T
> header the list software does not force "reply-to-author" but instead
> simply allows whatever reply you want.

And Jason Wong said:
> Simply put, there are mail clients available which are mailing-list
aware. To
> reply to the list you hit the "reply-to-list" button , to reply to the
sender
> you hit the "reply" button, to reply to everybody and their dogs hit
the
> "reply-to-all" button.

I was wrong, wrong, so very wrong. I see the light now, and I am
completely changing my stance on this.
I now understand that what I want is mailing software which is
"mailing list aware" so that I can set up the default behaviour of my
"reply" button to go to the list and not to the user, because that is my
user preference.
I can see some logic in having a third button that says "reply to
list", and that would be a better solution than changing the behaviour
of the list itself. What I failed to see before was how the way this
list set up allowed for configurability. I had the mistaken idea that
the list behaviour leveraged a certain amount of control over the email
client behaviour.
Also, it was hard for me to grasp it, because in my case 99% of the
time I would want to respond to a message I got via a mailing list by
sending it back to the list, to get the maximum benefit of many people
involved in the problem solving process. But that just allowed me to
slip into a personal bias.
I was wrong, and I'm big enough to say it. Wrong, wrong, wrong. In
fact, I'm going to revel in it. I have learned, changed, grown. This is
good.

So, now, what I personally want, in order to take advantage of this
"non munging" approach to mailing lists, is three buttons:
1. "Reply", and the default behaviour, in the case of mailing lists,
is to send to the list.
2. "Reply to all", to send to everyone and their dog, because canine
input is very important.
3. "Reply to email author only" for, again in the case of mailing
lists, the odd exceptional time when I want to reply not to the list,
but just to the guy/gal who posted the message.

So, if anyone has recommendations for email software which allows me
to set up these buttons in this way, please let me know. You've
convinced me that this mailing list system offers the most control, so
which software allows me to best take advantage of it?

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Dave, et al --

...and then Dave G said...
%
%
% Dave T-G said:
...
% > simply allows whatever reply you want.
%
% And Jason Wong said:
% > Simply put, there are mail clients available which are mailing-list
% aware. To
...
%
% I was wrong, wrong, so very wrong. I see the light now, and I am
% completely changing my stance on this.

It's not about being right or wrong, although I do have my own ideas of
what is right and will passionately defend them. I am glad to see that
what I/we have been saying has at least come clear, even if you were to
continue to disagree. That's *good*.


% I now understand that what I want is mailing software which is
% "mailing list aware" so that I can set up the default behaviour of my
% "reply" button to go to the list and not to the user, because that is my
% user preference.

Right! Piece of cake.


...
% I was wrong, and I'm big enough to say it. Wrong, wrong, wrong. In
% fact, I'm going to revel in it. I have learned, changed, grown. This is
% good.

Your attitude is good, too. I could learn a lot from it (I'm working on
it, though!).


%
% So, now, what I personally want, in order to take advantage of this
% "non munging" approach to mailing lists, is three buttons:
% 1. "Reply", and the default behaviour, in the case of mailing lists,
% is to send to the list.

Yep. We mutt users call that "list reply".


% 2. "Reply to all", to send to everyone and their dog, because canine
% input is very important.

Yep. That's "group reply" from where I come. Dogs are optional :-)


% 3. "Reply to email author only" for, again in the case of mailing
% lists, the odd exceptional time when I want to reply not to the list,
% but just to the guy/gal who posted the message.

Yep. That's the good old "reply" we all know and love.


%
% So, if anyone has recommendations for email software which allows me
% to set up these buttons in this way, please let me know. You've
% convinced me that this mailing list system offers the most control, so
% which software allows me to best take advantage of it?

I highly recommend mutt; it does all of that and more. What many mutt
users do is set up 'reply' to reply to the list when reading a list (and
then set up something else for "reply only to the author" if they prefer
industrious work over a casual reply-to-all-and-trim) so that the typical
action is even the same.

I don't know from any other mail programs -- mutt does everything I need
and then some -- but I have heard good things about Evolution, Sylpheed,
and TheBAT! at various times.


%
% --
% Cheers!
% Dave G
% ml@autotelic.com


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> I don't know from any other mail programs -- mutt does everything I need
> and then some -- but I have heard good things about Evolution, Sylpheed,
> and TheBAT! at various times.
>
>

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