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Old 01-26-2005
google_groups_web@yahoo.com
 
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Good News!


Do you know how simple it is to go to Heaven after this life has ended?


Some people believe that belonging to a local church, temple, mosque or
synagogue will get them to Heaven.


Others believe that water baptism, obeying the ten commandments or just
being a good person will get them to Heaven.


There are many other beliefs as well, but the good news about God's way
to Heaven is found in the Holy Bible.


The good news is that God came from Heaven to earth in the person of
Jesus Christ over 2000 years ago and died for our sins(misdeeds). He
was born in the land of Israel supernaturally to a virgin Jewish woman
named Mary. He lived a sinless life for thirty-three years and then
sacrificed His sinless blood and died on a cross to pay the death
penalty for our sins. After Jesus was placed in a tomb He rose from the
dead three days later as He said He would. The Holy Bible also tells us
that Jesus Christ ascended into Heaven and that all who accept Him as
their Lord and Saviour will live forever with Him in Heaven where there
is no more death, sorrow, sickness and pain.


The Bible says, "For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is
eternal life through Christ Jesus our Lord." (Romans 6:23)


This verse in the Bible says, "For ALL HAVE SINNED, and come short of
the glory of God." (Romans 3:23)


This verse says, "But God demonstrates his own love for us in this:
While we were still sinners, Christ died for us." (Romans 5:8)


In this passage the Bible clearly explains how simple it is to be saved
and on your way to Heaven, "For if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus
is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead,
you WILL BE SAVED." (Romans 10:9)


You can be saved right now and on your way to Heaven if you will open
your heart to Jesus and pray the following prayer:

Dear Jesus Christ, I want to be saved so that I can have a home in
Heaven when I die. I agree with You that I am a sinner.
I believe You love me and want to save me. I believe that You bled and
died on the cross to pay the penalty for my sins. I believe that You
rose from the dead. Please forgive my sins and come into my heart and
be my Lord and Saviour. Thank You Lord Jesus Christ for forgiving me
and saving me through Your merciful grace. Amen.


You are now a Christian if you said the prayer and allowed God to save
you. Welcome to the family of God.


Salvation is not a reward but a gift. The Bible says it this way, "For
it is by GRACE you have been SAVED, through FAITH and this not from
yourselves, it is the GIFT of God." (Ephesians 2:8)


Nothing in the world is more important than your eternal destiny.


The Bible says, "In Him(Jesus) we have redemption through His blood,
the forgiveness of sins..." (Ephesians 1:7)


If you have not yet made a decision to be saved, please do so now
before it is too late. The reason why it is so important to be saved
now is because you do not know exactly when you will die. You may die
prematurely in a traffic accident, terrorist attack or some other way
before you get another chance to be saved.


The Bible tells us that we will spend eternity in Heaven or a place of
eternal torment called Hell. It would be terrible to die and go to Hell
when all you have to do is accept Jesus Christ as your personal Lord
and Saviour.


Some people that have already made Jesus Christ their Lord and Saviour
worry about losing their salvation. The Bible teaches Christians that
we can never lose our salvation no matter what happens.


The Bible says it this way, "My dear children, I write this to you so
that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have one who speaks
to the Father in our defense Jesus Christ, the Righteous One."


Yes my friend, Jesus Christ is able to save you and keep you saved.


Please tell your family and friends, thanks!


Have a great day!
Internet Evangelist R.L. Grossi





1. http://www.biblegateway.com << Free Online Bible
2. http://www.free-hoster.com/goodnews << Passion of the Christ
3. http://www.carm.org/cults/cultlist.htm << Beware Of Cults
4. http://www.equip.org/free/DH198.htm << About Hell
5. http://www.powertochange.com/questions/qna2.html << Is Jesus God?

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Old 01-26-2005
Noah Roberts
 
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google_groups_...@yahoo.com wrote:

> The good news is that God came from Heaven to earth in the person of
> Jesus Christ over 2000 years ago and died for our sins(misdeeds).


That is but one interpretation of what Jesus was. Jesus never once
claimed to be God in any Gospel I have read. In fact he called himself
the son of man and often spoke of a father in the second person. I
don't discount the possibility, but I don't believe scripture supports
the single entity claim.

>
> If you have not yet made a decision to be saved, please do so now
> before it is too late. The reason why it is so important to be saved
> now is because you do not know exactly when you will die. You may die
> prematurely in a traffic accident, terrorist attack or some other way
> before you get another chance to be saved.
>
>
> The Bible tells us that we will spend eternity in Heaven or a place

of
> eternal torment called Hell. It would be terrible to die and go to

Hell
> when all you have to do is accept Jesus Christ as your personal Lord
> and Saviour.


Do you realize how sadistic God would have to be if he tormented people
for ever simply for not believing in him? It would be an unimaginable
sin if that were so. Gahndi would have to be forever tormented in hell,
and certainly there is not many people less deserving of such
injustice.

I have always disliked it when people claim God to be thus.
>
>
> Some people that have already made Jesus Christ their Lord and

Saviour
> worry about losing their salvation. The Bible teaches Christians that
> we can never lose our salvation no matter what happens.


Actually the bible provides several ways to loose salvation. "I will
say I know thee not." There is also the blaspheme against the Holy
Spirit, which has not been adiquatly explained IMHO but carries eternal
and unsalvagable death with it.

Christians should constantly worry about the continued salvation of
their souls. Remember, God is an investor that expects a profit.

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Old 01-26-2005
Felix Rawlings
 
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On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 11:05:02 -0800, google_groups_web wrote:

> [A lot of tripe.]


Superstition is not the main topic in this group.

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Old 01-27-2005
Stan Goodman
 
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On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 20:19:54 UTC, "Noah Roberts" <nroberts@stmartin.edu>
opined:
>
> google_groups_...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > The good news is that God came from Heaven to earth in the person of
> > Jesus Christ over 2000 years ago and died for our sins(misdeeds).

>
> That is but one interpretation of what Jesus was. Jesus never once
> claimed to be God in any Gospel I have read. In fact he called himself
> the son of man and often spoke of a father in the second person. I
> don't discount the possibility, but I don't believe scripture supports
> the single entity claim.


I know I am not qualified to be a part of this discussion, and I do not mean
to offend anyone. Perhaps I can throw a little linguistic light on the
paragraph just above.

"Son of man" is a normal, everyday Hebrew idiom meaning "person", "guy"
even. Others on the same pattern are "son of cattle", "son of sheep" (or
goats or camels). Another, in the plural, is the phrase that is strangely
translated in English as "children of Israel" (or of Ammon or any other
people). I am called a "son of man", for that matter, several times daily,
though there is nothing especially divine about me. Anyone who protests that
he is a "son of man" is simply saying "I'm just a human being", or "I'm just
an ordinary guy". A LOT of trouble has been caused in the world by
mistranslating/misconstruing perfectly ordinary Hebrew expressions and turns
of phrase from the Bible to European languages.

> > If you have not yet made a decision to be saved, please do so now
> > before it is too late. The reason why it is so important to be saved
> > now is because you do not know exactly when you will die. You may die
> > prematurely in a traffic accident, terrorist attack or some other way
> > before you get another chance to be saved.
> >
> >
> > The Bible tells us that we will spend eternity in Heaven or a place

> of
> > eternal torment called Hell. It would be terrible to die and go to

> Hell
> > when all you have to do is accept Jesus Christ as your personal Lord
> > and Saviour.

>
> Do you realize how sadistic God would have to be if he tormented people
> for ever simply for not believing in him? It would be an unimaginable
> sin if that were so. Gahndi would have to be forever tormented in hell,
> and certainly there is not many people less deserving of such
> injustice.
>
> I have always disliked it when people claim God to be thus.
> >
> >
> > Some people that have already made Jesus Christ their Lord and

> Saviour
> > worry about losing their salvation. The Bible teaches Christians that
> > we can never lose our salvation no matter what happens.

>
> Actually the bible provides several ways to loose salvation. "I will
> say I know thee not." There is also the blaspheme against the Holy
> Spirit, which has not been adiquatly explained IMHO but carries eternal
> and unsalvagable death with it.
>
> Christians should constantly worry about the continued salvation of
> their souls. Remember, God is an investor that expects a profit.


--
Stan Goodman
Qiryat Tiv'on
Israel

All those who believe that the best physicians in France, given two weeks,
can't diagnose what ails a patient - please stand up.
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Old 01-27-2005
Noah Roberts
 
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Stan Goodman wrote:
> On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 20:19:54 UTC, "Noah Roberts"

<nroberts@stmartin.edu>
> opined:
> > Jesus never once
> > claimed to be God in any Gospel I have read. In fact he called

himself
> > the son of man and often spoke of a father in the second person. I
> > don't discount the possibility, but I don't believe scripture

supports
> > the single entity claim.


> "Son of man" is a normal, everyday Hebrew idiom meaning "person",

"guy"
> even.


I didn't know that. I thought it had more specific meaning. But yeah,
my point was that he basically contradicted what is said of him.

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> Good News!

Looks like I've got even better news for you.

> Do you know how simple it is to go to Heaven after this life has ended?


Did you know that I'm already there? Or maybe you didn't believe Paul when
he wrote in the Bible you are quoting from:

Ephesians 2:6 "And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in
heavenly places in Christ Jesus".

So posting out here to all the world that they can go to heaven later just
lets us know you aren't there yet or you'd be posting the *better* news that
you can be in heaven now.

Find all the verses that talk about going to heaven after you die and then
come back and post again when you realize there just isn't anything to
support your idea of "going to heaven" after you die.


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Old 01-27-2005
Stan Goodman
 
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On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 21:54:23 UTC, Felix Rawlings <fraw@yahoo.com> opined:
> On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 11:05:02 -0800, google_groups_web wrote:
>
> > [A lot of tripe.]

>
> Superstition is not the main topic in this group.


I think the problem is that "networking" has a different meaning to many
people -- it just means interacting, in a social sense. I can't account
otherwise for the sheer volume of WAY off-topic traffic here (I'm entirely
new to Linux groups). I was amazed to see the number of people, judging from
the Subject header, who are interested in the death sentence of a convicted
murderer, and in the nature of the Deity. So yes, "networking" is the main
topic, and I suppose there are some who would contend that those messages,
along with this "Good News" thread, are right on it. Probably the only cure
would be to replace the ambiguous word with "LAN" or something similar.

--
Stan Goodman
Qiryat Tiv'on
Israel

All those who believe that the best physicians in France, given two weeks,
can't diagnose what ails a patient - please stand up.
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Old 01-28-2005
Noah Roberts
 
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Stan Goodman wrote:
> On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 21:54:23 UTC, Felix Rawlings <fraw@yahoo.com> opined:


> I think the problem is that "networking" has a different meaning to many
> people -- it just means interacting, in a social sense. I can't account
> otherwise for the sheer volume of WAY off-topic traffic here (I'm entirely
> new to Linux groups).


Off topic flame wars are common place in all newsgroups. People that
should know better end up replying to something and get sucked into them.
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Old 01-28-2005
Douglas O'Neal
 
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Noah Roberts wrote:
> google_groups_...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>
>>The good news is that God came from Heaven to earth in the person of
>>Jesus Christ over 2000 years ago and died for our sins(misdeeds).

>
>
> That is but one interpretation of what Jesus was. Jesus never once
> claimed to be God in any Gospel I have read. In fact he called himself
> the son of man and often spoke of a father in the second person. I
> don't discount the possibility, but I don't believe scripture supports
> the single entity claim.

<snip>

You might try a little logical reasoning on Luke 6:21-24. First Jesus
asks the rhetorical question "Who can forgive sins but God alone?" and
the follows up with "the Son of Man has power on earth to forgive sins".
It is not an explicit "I am God" but that is the only logical
conclusion from these two statements.

Second, you might consider the reaction of the authorities of the time.
In John 9:57-59, Jesus said that he existed before Abraham and used the
"I AM" name of God in his statement. The Jews understood what he was
saying in that they immediately tried to stone him, presumably for
blasphemy.

Doug
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Old 01-28-2005
Stan Goodman
 
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On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 15:10:43 UTC, Douglas O'Neal <oneal@dbi.udel.edu>
opined:
> Noah Roberts wrote:
> > google_groups_...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >
> >
> >>The good news is that God came from Heaven to earth in the person of
> >>Jesus Christ over 2000 years ago and died for our sins(misdeeds).

> >
> >
> > That is but one interpretation of what Jesus was. Jesus never once
> > claimed to be God in any Gospel I have read. In fact he called himself
> > the son of man and often spoke of a father in the second person. I
> > don't discount the possibility, but I don't believe scripture supports
> > the single entity claim.

> <snip>
>
> You might try a little logical reasoning on Luke 6:21-24. First Jesus
> asks the rhetorical question "Who can forgive sins but God alone?" and
> the follows up with "the Son of Man has power on earth to forgive sins".
> It is not an explicit "I am God" but that is the only logical
> conclusion from these two statements.


Logical reasoning is always a good approach. So is humility, so I have to
ask pardon again for injecting myself into other people's theological
discussion, given that I have no background in it. Anyway, I'll fall back on
the logical reasoning approach.

The Christian notion of "sin" is a construct of European culture; it has no
parallel in Judaism. The Hebrew word customarily translated as "sin" means
"a miss" (not hitting the target); "misses" in one's behavior toward another
person (for which a different word is used) can be forgiven ONLY by that
person, you can't ask forgiveness from God for what you have done to another
person, any more than another person, no matter who he is, can forgive a
"miss" in regard to God's precepts. But God forgives in response to
_sincere_ repentance That, presumably, was the concept to which Jesus was
exposed. Parenthetically, this idea leaves no room at all for "original sin"
or anything like it.

I look at the quotation from Luke above, and what I see is that "sin" is
being used in two senses, perhaps because the passage was written by a
Greek, not a Jew (there are worse bloopers in the Gospels that are obviously
traceable to such a reason). Please try to read it in the light of the
explanation I have tried to give; please also uncapitalize "Son of Man", for
the reason I gave in my earlier intrusion into this thread -- it just means
"a person". What will come out, in plain modern English, is: "Nobody but God
can forgive sins (meaning #1: misbehavior with respect to God's precepts,
for example immoral behavior). But people have the power to forgive sins
(meaning #2: offenses against themselves)".

> Second, you might consider the reaction of the authorities of the time.
> In John 9:57-59, Jesus said that he existed before Abraham and used the
> "I AM" name of God in his statement. The Jews understood what he was
> saying in that they immediately tried to stone him, presumably for
> blasphemy.


I am not able to comment on this sort of thing, but I think it's best to
remember that the gospels were not written in real time, but at least
decades later, if not more, and were likely to accumulate some docoration
with the passage of time. Also that, under a cruel Roman occupation
(administered by a governor of such brutality that he was fired for it by
the home office), it was impolitic to attribute stoning or execution to the
Roman Army, and convenient to find another "them" to blame. (Pace Mel
Gibson.)

--
Stan Goodman
Qiryat Tiv'on
Israel
All those who believe that the best physicians in France, given two weeks,
can't diagnose what ails a patient - please stand up.
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