pppd messages to file

Hi all
How do I get pppd to send messages to a file other then
/var/log/messages ?

Thanks

Stewart

stewart menday <stewart at webstorm.net.au> wrote:
> How do I get pppd to send messages to a file other then
> /var/log/messages ?

Incorrect question. It doesn't send them there.

Reformulate.

(syslogd puts the messages in /var/log/messages and other places).

Correct question: how can I find the section of the manpage of pppd that
tells me all about logging?

Answer: man pppd /log


debug Enables connection debugging facilities. If this
option is given, pppd will log the contents of all
control packets sent or received in a readable
form. The packets are logged through syslog with
facility daemon and level debug. This information
can be directed to a file by setting up /etc/sys
log.conf appropriately (see syslog.conf(5)).


Peter

stewart menday <stewart at webstorm.net.au> wrote:
> Hi all
> How do I get pppd to send messages to a file other then
> /var/log/messages ?

For chat and PPP link negotiation messages follow the recipe in my
signature.

-- Clifford Kite Email: "echo xvgr_yvahk-ccc@ri1.arg|rot13"
/* Recipe for a unified PPP debug log file: Add the line
" local2.*;*.=debug;*.=notice /var/log/ppp-debug.log "
to /etc/syslog.conf, and do " kill -HUP `pidof syslogd` "
so that syslogd rereads it. Use chat -v and the pppd debug option. */

Peter
I was aware that it is syslog that does the logging and that pppd will
be logged to wherever the daemon facility is logged, but I want to log it to
its own file. True I can change where all the daemons are logged but I
don't want them all just pppd.

Thanks

Stew

"P.T. Breuer" <ptb@oboe.it.uc3m.es> wrote in message
news:okhmsb.8pb.ln@news.it.uc3m.es...
> stewart menday <stewart at webstorm.net.au> wrote:
> > How do I get pppd to send messages to a file other then
> > /var/log/messages ?
>
> Incorrect question. It doesn't send them there.
>
> Reformulate.
>
> (syslogd puts the messages in /var/log/messages and other places).
>
> Correct question: how can I find the section of the manpage of pppd that
> tells me all about logging?
>
> Answer: man pppd /log
>
>
> debug Enables connection debugging facilities. If this
> option is given, pppd will log the contents of all
> control packets sent or received in a readable
> form. The packets are logged through syslog with
> facility daemon and level debug. This information
> can be directed to a file by setting up /etc/sys
> log.conf appropriately (see syslog.conf(5)).
>
>
> Peter

stewart menday <stewart at webstorm.net.au> wrote:


Please do not top post! I'll fix this one ...


> "P.T. Breuer" <ptb@oboe.it.uc3m.es> wrote in message news:okhmsb.8pb.ln@news.it.uc3m.es...
> > stewart menday <stewart at webstorm.net.au> wrote:
> > > How do I get pppd to send messages to a file other then /var/log/messages ?
[...]
> I was aware that it is syslog that does the logging and that pppd will
> be logged to wherever the daemon facility is logged, but I want to log it to

So what's your problem?

> its own file.

So what's your problem?

> True I can change where all the daemons are logged but I
> don't want them all just pppd.

So what's your problem?

Are you struggling manfully to ask if the log facility with which pppd
is normally logged coincides with that of some other daemon, so that
syslogd cannot separate them? Or if pppd can be configured to send
directly to a file instead of to syslog?

Well, if that is the case, I suggest you take lessons in expressing
yourself. And then read the man page for pppd to discover the answer to
the question you should have put to yourself. I already told you how:

man pppd /log

It really isn't hard, you know!

But then you're slow? Here's a whopping clue, just for you:


nolog Do not send log messages to a file or file descrip
tor. This option cancels the logfd and logfile options.


Peter

"P.T. Breuer" <ptb@oboe.it.uc3m.es> wrote in message
news:5aunsb.6qd.ln@news.it.uc3m.es...
> stewart menday <stewart at webstorm.net.au> wrote:
>
>
> Please do not top post! I'll fix this one ...

Peter
As the question was so short I didn't think it mattered if I "Top
Posted"

>
> > "P.T. Breuer" <ptb@oboe.it.uc3m.es> wrote in message
news:okhmsb.8pb.ln@news.it.uc3m.es...
> > > stewart menday <stewart at webstorm.net.au> wrote:
> > > > How do I get pppd to send messages to a file other then
/var/log/messages ?
> [...]
> > I was aware that it is syslog that does the logging and that pppd
will
> > be logged to wherever the daemon facility is logged, but I want to log
it to
>
> So what's your problem?
>
> > its own file.
>
> So what's your problem?
>
> > True I can change where all the daemons are logged but I
> > don't want them all just pppd.
>
> So what's your problem?

I thought that was obvious

>
> Are you struggling manfully to ask if the log facility with which pppd
> is normally logged coincides with that of some other daemon, so that
> syslogd cannot separate them? Or if pppd can be configured to send
> directly to a file instead of to syslog?
>
It doesn't really matter, either will do, as long as the messages end up in
their own file

> Well, if that is the case, I suggest you take lessons in expressing
> yourself. And then read the man page for pppd to discover the answer to
> the question you should have put to yourself. I already told you how:
>
> man pppd /log
>
> It really isn't hard, you know!
>
> But then you're slow? Here's a whopping clue, just for you:
>
>
> nolog Do not send log messages to a file or file descrip
> tor. This option cancels the logfd and logfile options.
>
>
> Peter
>

Your time would have been better spent answering my question then in trying
to insult me. You must be very insecure if you need to insult people in
order to feel good.

Stew

stewart menday <stewart at webstorm.net.au> wrote:

> "P.T. Breuer" <ptb@oboe.it.uc3m.es> wrote in message news:5aunsb.6qd.ln@news.it.uc3m.es...
> > Please do not top post! I'll fix this one ...

> As the question was so short I didn't think it mattered if I "Top Posted"

Then why do it? It takes effort to write over the top of something,
constantly glancing down at the post to see what you are replying to,
and writing the answer to the question in a different place altogether.

In fact I don't know how you do it! How do people answer a post more
than 22 lines long by top posting? They can't see what they are talking
about when talking about it!

> > > "P.T. Breuer" <ptb@oboe.it.uc3m.es> wrote in message
> news:okhmsb.8pb.ln@news.it.uc3m.es...
> > > > stewart menday <stewart at webstorm.net.au> wrote:
> > > > > How do I get pppd to send messages to a file other then /var/log/messages ?
> > [...]
> > > I was aware that it is syslog that does the logging and that pppd will
> > > be logged to wherever the daemon facility is logged, but I want to log it to

> > So what's your problem?

> I thought that was obvious


It isn't at all obvious what your problem is, since you say that you
are aware of the situation. Being aware of it, what can your problem
possibly be?

It's like saying "I want a can of peas", and "I am aware the can of
peas is in the cupboard". Great! Fantastic! So what's your problem?
Go get 'em!


> > Are you struggling manfully to ask if the log facility with which pppd
> > is normally logged coincides with that of some other daemon, so that
> > syslogd cannot separate them? Or if pppd can be configured to send
> > directly to a file instead of to syslog?
> >
> It doesn't really matter, either will do, as long as the messages end up in
> their own file


No, either will not do. The answer can be negative to both or either.

Anyway, why didn't you ask that? You said that you knew syslog does the
logging, so you have to configure syslogd. What was your problem?


> > Well, if that is the case, I suggest you take lessons in expressing
> > yourself. And then read the man page for pppd to discover the answer to
> > the question you should have put to yourself. I already told you how:
> >
> > man pppd /log
> >
> > It really isn't hard, you know!
> >
> > But then you're slow? Here's a whopping clue, just for you:
> >
> >
> > nolog Do not send log messages to a file or file descrip
> > tor. This option cancels the logfd and logfile options.


> Your time would have been better spent answering my question then in trying
> to insult me. You must be very insecure if you need to insult people in
> order to feel good.


I don't need to insult you (in order to feel good or not!). You insult
yourself! Did you have some problem doing the man pppd /log thang? For
the third time of asking ...

This is like talking to a tortoise.


Peter

"P.T. Breuer" <ptb@oboe.it.uc3m.es> wrote in message
news:5omqsb.opj.ln@news.it.uc3m.es...
> stewart menday <stewart at webstorm.net.au> wrote:
>
> > "P.T. Breuer" <ptb@oboe.it.uc3m.es> wrote in message
news:5aunsb.6qd.ln@news.it.uc3m.es...
> > > Please do not top post! I'll fix this one ...
>
> > As the question was so short I didn't think it mattered if I "Top
Posted"
>
> Then why do it?

You do it because it is quicker, simple start typing.

> It takes effort to write over the top of something,
> constantly glancing down at the post to see what you are replying to,
> and writing the answer to the question in a different place altogether.
>

Not if you know what the question was. I think it takes longer to write
your answer in multiple places. I agree that if the message/question is
long that it is easier to understand.

> In fact I don't know how you do it! How do people answer a post more
> than 22 lines long by top posting? They can't see what they are talking
> about when talking about it!
>

22 lines maybe but you only made 2 points, the first was to say that my
question was wrong. How can a question be wrong? Only the answer can be
wrong. And the second was to look at the man file. You don't need much of
a memory to remember that.

> > > > "P.T. Breuer" <ptb@oboe.it.uc3m.es> wrote in message
> > news:okhmsb.8pb.ln@news.it.uc3m.es...
> > > > > stewart menday <stewart at webstorm.net.au> wrote:
> > > > > > How do I get pppd to send messages to a file other then
/var/log/messages ?
> > > [...]
> > > > I was aware that it is syslog that does the logging and that
pppd will
> > > > be logged to wherever the daemon facility is logged, but I want to
log it to
>
> > > So what's your problem?
>
> > I thought that was obvious
>
>
> It isn't at all obvious what your problem is, since you say that you
> are aware of the situation. Being aware of it, what can your problem
> possibly be?
>
Problem, I have a broken leg, being aware of it doesn't fix it.

> It's like saying "I want a can of peas", and "I am aware the can of
> peas is in the cupboard". Great! Fantastic! So what's your problem?
> Go get 'em!
>
I don't know where the cupboard is.
>
> > > Are you struggling manfully to ask if the log facility with which pppd
> > > is normally logged coincides with that of some other daemon, so that
> > > syslogd cannot separate them? Or if pppd can be configured to send
> > > directly to a file instead of to syslog?
> > >
> > It doesn't really matter, either will do, as long as the messages end up
in
> > their own file
>
>
> No, either will not do. The answer can be negative to both or either.

If you had told be how to do either of these I would of been happy. I don't
think you can separate the daemon facility messages (maybe you can) so the
only way that I know of (now) is to use the logfile option.
>
> Anyway, why didn't you ask that? You said that you knew syslog does the
> logging, so you have to configure syslogd. What was your problem?
>
I don't know how to separate the daemon messages. Do you?
>
> > > Well, if that is the case, I suggest you take lessons in expressing
> > > yourself. And then read the man page for pppd to discover the answer
to
> > > the question you should have put to yourself. I already told you how:
> > >
> > > man pppd /log
> > >
> > > It really isn't hard, you know!
> > >
> > > But then you're slow? Here's a whopping clue, just for you:
> > >
> > >
> > > nolog Do not send log messages to a file or file descrip
> > > tor. This option cancels the logfd and logfile options.
>
>
> > Your time would have been better spent answering my question then in
trying
> > to insult me. You must be very insecure if you need to insult people in
> > order to feel good.
>
>
> I don't need to insult you (in order to feel good or not!). You insult
> yourself! Did you have some problem doing the man pppd /log thang? For
> the third time of asking ...
>
> This is like talking to a tortoise.
>
I have to admit that I find your responses very amusing!
>
> Peter

Stewart

stewart menday <stewart at webstorm.net.au> wrote:

> "P.T. Breuer" <ptb@oboe.it.uc3m.es> wrote in message
> news:5omqsb.opj.ln@news.it.uc3m.es...
> > stewart menday <stewart at webstorm.net.au> wrote:
> > > "P.T. Breuer" <ptb@oboe.it.uc3m.es> wrote in message news:5aunsb.6qd.ln@news.it.uc3m.es...
> > > > Please do not top post! I'll fix this one ...
> > > As the question was so short I didn't think it mattered if I "Top Posted"
> > Then why do it?

> You do it because it is quicker, simple start typing.


But you are typing a soliloquy. You alone know what the question you
are answering is! Nobody else can tell. It's an image in yoru own head,
not on the screen, that you are responding to!

> > It takes effort to write over the top of something,
> > constantly glancing down at the post to see what you are replying to,
> > and writing the answer to the question in a different place altogether.

> Not if you know what the question was.

But you don't know what the question was. You THINK you do, but without
looking at it you cannot be sure. And you also don't know what the
other questions are, and how your answer will be perceived in relaton
to them!

So it fails as a communication method.

> I think it takes longer to write
> your answer in multiple places.

Why? How can it? You don't do any work to move the cursor!

> I agree that if the message/question is
> long that it is easier to understand.

No comment.

> > In fact I don't know how you do it! How do people answer a post more
> > than 22 lines long by top posting? They can't see what they are talking
> > about when talking about it!

> 22 lines maybe but you only made 2 points, the first was to say that my
> question was wrong. How can a question be wrong?

Easily! When did you stop beating your wife? Why didn't the CIA tell
us they were making up this stuff about WMD? Which planet is Elvis on
nowadays? Who is the guy who is fixing the football match results paid
by?

Etc.

Get it?

> Only the answer can be
> wrong.

Nonsense. The question can be wrong. When you are told that it is
wrong, reexamine it, and SEE what is wrong with it.


> And the second was to look at the man file. You don't need much of
> a memory to remember that.


What was "that"? I wrote the answer three times, and you repeated
yourself three times in taking no notice.


> > It isn't at all obvious what your problem is, since you say that you
> > are aware of the situation. Being aware of it, what can your problem
> > possibly be?
> >
> Problem, I have a broken leg, being aware of it doesn't fix it.


Yes it does. You know it is broken, so take it to the hospital.



> > It's like saying "I want a can of peas", and "I am aware the can of
> > peas is in the cupboard". Great! Fantastic! So what's your problem?
> > Go get 'em!
> >
> I don't know where the cupboard is.


Then ASK!


Ask the question you mean to ask, not a non-question that you didn't
mean to ask.


> > > > Are you struggling manfully to ask if the log facility with which pppd
> > > > is normally logged coincides with that of some other daemon, so that
> > > > syslogd cannot separate them? Or if pppd can be configured to send
> > > > directly to a file instead of to syslog?
> > > >
> > > It doesn't really matter, either will do, as long as the messages end up in
> > > their own file
> >
> >
> > No, either will not do. The answer can be negative to both or either.

> If you had told be how to do either of these I would of been happy.


I did tell you how to both. Change syslogd conf to do what you want. or
change pppd's conf to do what you want! I even told you were and how to
look it up! As though it were not obvious.


> I don't
> think you can separate the daemon facility messages (maybe you can) so the


Why don't you think so? What else does syslog do except precisely that?


> only way that I know of (now) is to use the logfile option.

Which you found about how? Perhaps by finally follwing the advice to
man pppd /log ?


> > Anyway, why didn't you ask that? You said that you knew syslog does the
> > logging, so you have to configure syslogd. What was your problem?
> >
> I don't know how to separate the daemon messages. Do you?


Of course! I can read the manpage for syslogd, where it directs me to
syslog.conf, and I can read the manpage for syslog.conf where it tells
me how, and I can read syslog.conf, where there are plenty of
examples.

So yes, I know.


The main configuration file /etc/syslog.conf or an alter
native file, given with the -f option, is read at startup.

...


DESCRIPTION
The syslog.conf file is the main configuration file for
the syslogd(8) which logs system messages on *nix systems.
This file specifies rules for logging. For special fea
tures see the sysklogd(8) manpage.

Every rule consists of two fields, a selector field and an
action field. These two fields are separated by one or
more spaces or tabs. The selector field specifies a pat
tern of facilities and priorities belonging to the speci
fied action.

...

The selector field itself again consists of two parts, a
facility and a priority, separated by a period (``.'').

...

The facility is one of the following keywords: auth, auth
priv, cron, daemon, kern, lpr, mail, mark, news, security
(same as auth), syslog, user, uucp and local0 through
local7.

...

The priority is one of the following keywords, in ascend
ing order: debug, info, notice, warning, warn (same as
warning), err, error (same as err), crit, alert, emerg,
panic (same as emerg).

...

Etc.




> > > > Well, if that is the case, I suggest you take lessons in expressing
> > > > yourself. And then read the man page for pppd to discover the answer to
> > > > the question you should have put to yourself. I already told you how:
> > > >
> > > > man pppd /log
> > > >
> > > > It really isn't hard, you know!
> > > >
> > > > But then you're slow? Here's a whopping clue, just for you:
> > > >
> > > > nolog Do not send log messages to a file or file descrip
> > > > tor. This option cancels the logfd and logfile options.
> >
> >
> > > Your time would have been better spent answering my question then in trying
> > > to insult me. You must be very insecure if you need to insult people in
> > > order to feel good.
> >
> > I don't need to insult you (in order to feel good or not!). You insult
> > yourself! Did you have some problem doing the man pppd /log thang? For
> > the third time of asking ...
> >
> > This is like talking to a tortoise.
> >
> I have to admit that I find your responses very amusing!

Just for you, I've quoted the amusing parts.

Peter

"P.T. Breuer" <ptb@oboe.it.uc3m.es> wrote in message
news:ajnrsb.88a.ln@news.it.uc3m.es...
> stewart menday <stewart at webstorm.net.au> wrote:
>
> > "P.T. Breuer" <ptb@oboe.it.uc3m.es> wrote in message
> > news:5omqsb.opj.ln@news.it.uc3m.es...
> > > stewart menday <stewart at webstorm.net.au> wrote:
> > > > "P.T. Breuer" <ptb@oboe.it.uc3m.es> wrote in message
news:5aunsb.6qd.ln@news.it.uc3m.es...
> > > > > Please do not top post! I'll fix this one ...
> > > > As the question was so short I didn't think it mattered if I "Top
Posted"
> > > Then why do it?
>
> > You do it because it is quicker, simple start typing.
>
>
> But you are typing a soliloquy. You alone know what the question you
> are answering is! Nobody else can tell. It's an image in yoru own head,
> not on the screen, that you are responding to!

The message before this one, or the small amount of text below, not hard
really for a SMALL message.

>
> > > It takes effort to write over the top of something,
> > > constantly glancing down at the post to see what you are replying to,
> > > and writing the answer to the question in a different place
altogether.
>
> > Not if you know what the question was.
>
> But you don't know what the question was. You THINK you do, but without
> looking at it you cannot be sure. And you also don't know what the
> other questions are, and how your answer will be perceived in relaton
> to them!
>
Like I said for a small message it is easier and quicker, I agree if the
message is long or the list or replies is long that it is easier to read and
respond by writing your answer below each question.

> So it fails as a communication method.
>

It doesn't fail as a communication method, we have communicated. Before the
days of e-mail when people sent correspondence they did so simply sending
another letter, the didn't even send a copy of the original and the person
at the other end was able to understand.

> > I think it takes longer to write
> > your answer in multiple places.
>
> Why? How can it? You don't do any work to move the cursor!
>

Yes you do.

> > I agree that if the message/question is
> > long that it is easier to understand.
>
> No comment.
>
> > > In fact I don't know how you do it! How do people answer a post more
> > > than 22 lines long by top posting? They can't see what they are
talking
> > > about when talking about it!
>
> > 22 lines maybe but you only made 2 points, the first was to say that my
> > question was wrong. How can a question be wrong?
>
> Easily! When did you stop beating your wife? Why didn't the CIA tell
> us they were making up this stuff about WMD? Which planet is Elvis on
> nowadays? Who is the guy who is fixing the football match results paid
> by?
>
> Etc.
>
> Get it?
>

Just because it is a stupid question doesn't make it wrong. The answers
are, I don't, they didn't, earth, I don't know.

> > Only the answer can be
> > wrong.
>
> Nonsense. The question can be wrong. When you are told that it is
> wrong, reexamine it, and SEE what is wrong with it.
>
>
> > And the second was to look at the man file. You don't need much of
> > a memory to remember that.
>
>
> What was "that"? I wrote the answer three times, and you repeated
> yourself three times in taking no notice.
>
>
> > > It isn't at all obvious what your problem is, since you say that you
> > > are aware of the situation. Being aware of it, what can your problem
> > > possibly be?
> > >
> > Problem, I have a broken leg, being aware of it doesn't fix it.
>
>
> Yes it does. You know it is broken, so take it to the hospital.
>
>
> > > It's like saying "I want a can of peas", and "I am aware the can of
> > > peas is in the cupboard". Great! Fantastic! So what's your problem?
> > > Go get 'em!
> > >
> > I don't know where the cupboard is.
>
>
> Then ASK!
>
Don't know exactly how to do it, ask a news group.
>
> Ask the question you mean to ask, not a non-question that you didn't
> mean to ask.
>
I and unable to determine in advance how someone else will interpret my
questions. There are a number of layers of interpretation in the written
language.
>
> > > > > Are you struggling manfully to ask if the log facility with which
pppd
> > > > > is normally logged coincides with that of some other daemon, so
that
> > > > > syslogd cannot separate them? Or if pppd can be configured to
send
> > > > > directly to a file instead of to syslog?
> > > > >
> > > > It doesn't really matter, either will do, as long as the messages
end up in
> > > > their own file
> > >
> > >
> > > No, either will not do. The answer can be negative to both or either.
>
> > If you had told be how to do either of these I would of been happy.
>
>
> I did tell you how to both. Change syslogd conf to do what you want. or
> change pppd's conf to do what you want! I even told you were and how to
> look it up! As though it were not obvious.
>
In your original reply you only mentioned syslog.conf and I still cannot see
how to separate the pppd messages from all the other daemon messages, do
you? I stoped reading the pppd help once I cam across the stuff about
syslog, a bit lazy I guess but the stuff that followed had nothing to do
with logging.
>
> > I don't
> > think you can separate the daemon facility messages (maybe you can) so
the
>
>
> Why don't you think so? What else does syslog do except precisely that?
>
As far as I can tell it will not separate anything other then the specified
facilities, auth, authpriv, cron, daemon, kern, lpr, mail, mark, and news.
If you know of a way to further separate the daemon facility then please let
me know.
>
> > only way that I know of (now) is to use the logfile option.
>
> Which you found about how? Perhaps by finally follwing the advice to
> man pppd /log ?
>
Answered above.
>
> > > Anyway, why didn't you ask that? You said that you knew syslog does
the
> > > logging, so you have to configure syslogd. What was your problem?
> > >
> > I don't know how to separate the daemon messages. Do you?
>
>
> Of course! I can read the manpage for syslogd, where it directs me to
> syslog.conf, and I can read the manpage for syslog.conf where it tells
> me how, and I can read syslog.conf, where there are plenty of
> examples.
>
> So yes, I know.
>
Then please tell me. The man file on RH9 doesn't seem to.
>
> The main configuration file /etc/syslog.conf or an alter
> native file, given with the -f option, is read at startup.
>
> ...
>
>
> DESCRIPTION
> The syslog.conf file is the main configuration file for
> the syslogd(8) which logs system messages on *nix systems.
> This file specifies rules for logging. For special fea
> tures see the sysklogd(8) manpage.
>
> Every rule consists of two fields, a selector field and an
> action field. These two fields are separated by one or
> more spaces or tabs. The selector field specifies a pat
> tern of facilities and priorities belonging to the speci
> fied action.
>
> ...
>
> The selector field itself again consists of two parts, a
> facility and a priority, separated by a period (``.'').
>
> ...
>
> The facility is one of the following keywords: auth, auth
> priv, cron, daemon, kern, lpr, mail, mark, news, security
> (same as auth), syslog, user, uucp and local0 through
> local7.
>
> ...
>
> The priority is one of the following keywords, in ascend
> ing order: debug, info, notice, warning, warn (same as
> warning), err, error (same as err), crit, alert, emerg,
> panic (same as emerg).
>
> ...
>
> Etc.
>
>
>
>
> > > > > Well, if that is the case, I suggest you take lessons in
expressing
> > > > > yourself. And then read the man page for pppd to discover the
answer to
> > > > > the question you should have put to yourself. I already told you
how:
> > > > >
> > > > > man pppd /log
> > > > >
> > > > > It really isn't hard, you know!
> > > > >
> > > > > But then you're slow? Here's a whopping clue, just for you:
> > > > >
> > > > > nolog Do not send log messages to a file or file descrip
> > > > > tor. This option cancels the logfd and logfile options.
> > >
> > >
> > > > Your time would have been better spent answering my question then in
trying
> > > > to insult me. You must be very insecure if you need to insult
people in
> > > > order to feel good.
> > >
> > > I don't need to insult you (in order to feel good or not!). You insult
> > > yourself! Did you have some problem doing the man pppd /log thang? For
> > > the third time of asking ...
> > >
> > > This is like talking to a tortoise.
> > >
> > I have to admit that I find your responses very amusing!
>
> Just for you, I've quoted the amusing parts.
>
> Peter

I should quote the who thing.

Stew