Linux Browsers...

On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 21:11:33 -0600, Dave Uhring wrote:

> On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 21:17:29 -0500, David L. Johnson wrote:
>
> an extremely offensive sig.

But funnier than hell. :-)

(and yes, I'm a licensed engineer in 3 states.)

Jean-David Beyer <jdbeyer@exit109.com> writes:

> Jordan Mendelblatt wrote:
> I am forced to use Knoqueror at my stockbroker (Ameritrade) because
> they "upgraded" their site and I get ICMP errors and other problems
> with Mozilla starting over the new year.

I've been accessing AMTDs upgraded site with Mozilla for
a while now. The only problem I'm seeing is slowness.
I assumed that was at their end.

Oh, the other problem is the upgrades stink.

Jean-David Beyer scratched on the wall:

> Every GUI should have Edit->Preferences to set it
> up, and Konqueror does not, so I cannot find anything.

It's Settings > Configure Konqueror, and check also Settings > Save
profile <name>. HTH
--
oNb
Another happy Linux user - # 276084.
Reject religion ! Embrace Jesus Christ.

On 2005-01-15, Dan Espen <daneNO@SPAM.mk.telcordia.com> wrote:
> Jean-David Beyer <jdbeyer@exit109.com> writes:
>
>> Jordan Mendelblatt wrote:
>> I am forced to use Knoqueror at my stockbroker (Ameritrade) because
>> they "upgraded" their site and I get ICMP errors and other problems
>> with Mozilla starting over the new year.
>
> I've been accessing AMTDs upgraded site with Mozilla for
> a while now. The only problem I'm seeing is slowness.
> I assumed that was at their end.
>
> Oh, the other problem is the upgrades stink.

I'll second that my Mozilla (1.7.3) works pretty well with
Ameritrade's new "site". There are still a few things that
won't print to paper, but I find fewer of those than with
the old site. Jordan, do you have cookies disabled or
anything else like that?

Robert Riches
spamtrap42@verizon.net
(Yes, that is one of my email addresses.)

On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 19:22:27 -0800, Captain Dondo wrote:

> On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 21:11:33 -0600, Dave Uhring wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 21:17:29 -0500, David L. Johnson wrote:
>>
>> an extremely offensive sig.
>
> But funnier than hell. :-)
>
> (and yes, I'm a licensed engineer in 3 states.)

If you like being compared to a pig then keep smiling.

Hi,

I am using Opera although it's proprietary code.
For me Opera is to Firefox&Co like Openoffice to kwrite.
It has almost everything included that you learn to appreciate when using
your browser 4+ hours a day.
I prefer it to Firefox because all functions are already integrated, I
don't have to search for extensions and I have a common interface in all
modes.
It's really small (3,3 MB). The latest Windows beta has also voice control
and output, a really nice feature. Hopefully it gets into the Linux app,
too.
Opera is available as an ad sponsored free version and a $34 ad-less
version. Universities get a free volume license.


Features:

= Browser =
- Mouse gestures for faster browsing
- Tabbed browsing
- Fullscreen and Small screen rendering
- Inline print preview
- Password and cookie manager
- great standards support

- Most screensize ever (at least if you buy it - otherwise you have to
live with an ad window)
- Put Tabs on right side to get more vertical screen size and better
readability of tag labels
- Saves Tabs and opens them again on next startup (you can also save and
load tab sets - great for research on a subject)
- Switch off Images, plugins, Java, animation, proxies, etc. with a button
and a mouse click
- Use "User CSS stylesheets" for annoying websites, to remove certain
elements, etc.
- have searches with hotkeys (like "g free ipods" searches with Google).
I've added dictionaries, Whois, Amazon, Ebay, Froogle, Wikipedia, ...
- Press F8 to activate adress bar. Type "g xyz" and hit return. Super
fast. I don't need the separate Google bar on Firefox.
- easy incremental search within page
- navigate entirely with keyboard
- Automatically select location for downloaded file based on mimetype,
Easily download Flash SWF files, etc.
- Customize all menus, Hotkeys, Toolbars with text files, add your own
tools to the context menu


= Email =
- IMAP, POP, SMTP, with TLS encryption
- integrated NNTP and RSS readers
- sends only text emails but read also html
- unfortunately no gpg integration
- aspell integration

- Automatically filter emails, based on rules or learning from your actions
- Label emails, mark as Spam
- Don't sort your emails, just search with the ultrafast search (it really
works)
- unobtrusive tooltip popup if new mail arrives

= Goodies =
- simple IRC client
- Sidebars - with news, icq2go, dictionaries
- OperaShow, a HTML and CSS based slideshow system, less features than
Powerpoint, but really nice and flexible
- Use Opera on a dualboot system with shared files. I have a little
trouble with it, but it works
- Opera is fast
- great support in Opera forums and IRC


What needs to be improved:

- The IRC client and the news reader are not up to par with other apps
- No API for extensions
- needs some startup time if you have many windows open in the previous
session

You can find a screenshot of my Opera setup at
http://www.cip.ifi.lmu.de/~wimmer/myopera.gif

Yes, I'm an Opera zealot.

Raphael

Robert M. Riches Jr. wrote:

> On 2005-01-15, Dan Espen <daneNO@SPAM.mk.telcordia.com> wrote:
>> Jean-David Beyer <jdbeyer@exit109.com> writes:
>>
>>> Jordan Mendelblatt wrote:
>>> I am forced to use Knoqueror at my stockbroker (Ameritrade) because
>>> they "upgraded" their site and I get ICMP errors and other problems
>>> with Mozilla starting over the new year.
>>
>> I've been accessing AMTDs upgraded site with Mozilla for
>> a while now. The only problem I'm seeing is slowness.
>> I assumed that was at their end.
>>
>> Oh, the other problem is the upgrades stink.
>
> I'll second that my Mozilla (1.7.3) works pretty well with
> Ameritrade's new "site". There are still a few things that
> won't print to paper, but I find fewer of those than with
> the old site. Jordan, do you have cookies disabled or
> anything else like that?
>
> Robert Riches
> spamtrap42@verizon.net
> (Yes, that is one of my email addresses.)


Well.....I am using Firefox now. But, when I tried Konqueror, after
installing Debian, it had the following problems (This is actually the
reason that I posted this to this group):

1) Firefox would not handle images well. I.e. the google logo wouldn't load.
2) It kept asking me for cookies. Although I found the option to disable
this, I didn't know what to do for certain websites, causing functionality
problems.
3) Every webpage would load in a utility box (showing loading progress) and
then would load in a separate window. This was an accessibility issue that
I didn't know how to correct, and was extremely annoying.

I have heard good things about Konqueror, and I like the idea of a browser
being "more than a browser". Firefox seems to handle webpages flawlessly
for me, but I would switch to Konqueror if I could get it working correctly
because of it's accessibility to directories and its ability to edit files.

Dan Espen wrote:

> Jean-David Beyer <jdbeyer@exit109.com> writes:
>
>> Jordan Mendelblatt wrote:
>> I am forced to use Knoqueror at my stockbroker (Ameritrade) because
>> they "upgraded" their site and I get ICMP errors and other problems
>> with Mozilla starting over the new year.
>
> I've been accessing AMTDs upgraded site with Mozilla for
> a while now. The only problem I'm seeing is slowness.
> I assumed that was at their end.
>
> Oh, the other problem is the upgrades stink.

Why do some people use Mozilla and some use Firefox? I know your're
thinking, well, Linux gives choices....but there has to be a difference.
That may sound stupid, but I have never used "Regular" Mozilla.

Dave Uhring wrote:

> On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 01:21:15 +0000, Jordan Mendelblatt wrote:
>
>> I was recently in a Debian IRC room inquiring about web browsers for KDE
>> and Gnome. I was wondering what all you linux gurus out there prefer for
>> each desktop environment. Please also list why you have picked that
>> browser.
>
> Why don't you just try all of them and make your own decision?

You see....this is they kind of post that I don't like. Part of the reason
there are Usenet forums is so I can ask questions like this and let you
guys do the research for me, so I can do better things like drink beer, and
just be plain lazy. :)

Jordan Mendelblatt wrote:
> Dave Uhring wrote:
>
>
>>On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 01:21:15 +0000, Jordan Mendelblatt wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I was recently in a Debian IRC room inquiring about web browsers for KDE
>>>and Gnome. I was wondering what all you linux gurus out there prefer for
>>>each desktop environment. Please also list why you have picked that
>>>browser.
>>
>>Why don't you just try all of them and make your own decision?
>
>
> You see....this is they kind of post that I don't like. Part of the reason
> there are Usenet forums is so I can ask questions like this and let you
> guys do the research for me, so I can do better things like drink beer, and
> just be plain lazy. :)
>
>

In that case, I'd say go for firefox. It has come a long way and still
has a long way to go. But beyond any doubt, Firefox is the best browser
today. I don't want to list all it's features but take a look at
<http://www.xulplanet.com/ndeakin/arts/reasons.html> and decide for
yourself ;)

I'd also suggest trying epiphany. It's HTML rendering is probably the
best I've seen.

GVK