For Non-Muslims

On Mon, 07 Apr 2008 06:49:02 -0400, Fred Bloggs <nospam@nospam.com>
wrote:

>
>
>Gunner Asch wrote:
>> On Sun, 06 Apr 2008 15:54:58 -0300, Fred Bloggs <nospam@nospam.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>>Gunner Asch wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sun, 06 Apr 2008 09:17:26 -0300, Fred Bloggs <nospam@nospam.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Gunner Asch wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
>>>>>
>>>>>Pox Americana would be the more apt expression for a nation of
>>>>>illiterate hickbillies who can't find their butt with both hands...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Your opinion, that of a fucktard, is noted with amusement.
>>>>
>>>>Gunner
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>You validate it with your every utterance...
>>>
>>
>> and you validate my statement with every post you make.
>>
>> Gunner
>>
>>
>
>Spoken like a true mindless parrot...
>Let me respond for you, idiot:
>"No! *YOU* speak like a mindless parrot."


Denial, is not a river in Egypt, old sod.

Gunner


"[L]iberals are afraid to state what they truly believe in, for to do so
would result in even less votes than they currently receive. Their
methodology is to lie about their real agenda in the hopes of regaining
power, at which point they will do whatever they damn well please. The
problem is they have concealed and obfuscated for so long that, as a group,
they themselves are no longer sure of their goals. They are a collection of
wild-eyed splinter groups, all holding a grab-bag of dreams and wishes. Some
want a Socialist, secular-humanist state, others the repeal of the Second
Amendment. Some want same sex/different species marriage, others want voting
rights for trees, fish, coal and bugs. Some want cradle to grave care and
complete subservience to the government nanny state, others want a culture
that walks in lockstep and speaks only with intonations of political
correctness. I view the American liberals in much the same way I view the
competing factions of Islamic
fundamentalists. The latter hate each other to the core, and only join
forces to attack the US or Israel. The former hate themselves to the core,
and only join forces to attack George Bush and conservatives." --Ron Marr

On Mon, 07 Apr 2008 08:33:36 -0400, Spehro Pefhany
<speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:

>>
>>The US doesnt have an empire either. And the Frogs from Canada are
>>disliked for more than lousy tipping
>>
>>Gunner
>
>A lot of brave Quebecois soldiers are biting the dust in Afghanistan
>these days.
>
>http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/af...ties/list.html
>Best regards,
>Spehro Pefhany


My condolences to their next of kin, and kudos to the soldiers
themselves.

And?

Gunner


"[L]iberals are afraid to state what they truly believe in, for to do so
would result in even less votes than they currently receive. Their
methodology is to lie about their real agenda in the hopes of regaining
power, at which point they will do whatever they damn well please. The
problem is they have concealed and obfuscated for so long that, as a group,
they themselves are no longer sure of their goals. They are a collection of
wild-eyed splinter groups, all holding a grab-bag of dreams and wishes. Some
want a Socialist, secular-humanist state, others the repeal of the Second
Amendment. Some want same sex/different species marriage, others want voting
rights for trees, fish, coal and bugs. Some want cradle to grave care and
complete subservience to the government nanny state, others want a culture
that walks in lockstep and speaks only with intonations of political
correctness. I view the American liberals in much the same way I view the
competing factions of Islamic
fundamentalists. The latter hate each other to the core, and only join
forces to attack the US or Israel. The former hate themselves to the core,
and only join forces to attack George Bush and conservatives." --Ron Marr

Gunner Asch wrote:
> On Mon, 07 Apr 2008 06:49:02 -0400, Fred Bloggs <nospam@nospam.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>>
>>Gunner Asch wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 06 Apr 2008 15:54:58 -0300, Fred Bloggs <nospam@nospam.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Gunner Asch wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>On Sun, 06 Apr 2008 09:17:26 -0300, Fred Bloggs <nospam@nospam.com>
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Gunner Asch wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Pox Americana would be the more apt expression for a nation of
>>>>>>illiterate hickbillies who can't find their butt with both hands...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Your opinion, that of a fucktard, is noted with amusement.
>>>>>
>>>>>Gunner
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>You validate it with your every utterance...
>>>>
>>>
>>>and you validate my statement with every post you make.
>>>
>>>Gunner
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Spoken like a true mindless parrot...
>>Let me respond for you, idiot:
>>"No! *YOU* speak like a mindless parrot."
>
>
>
> Denial, is not a river in Egypt, old sod.
>

I'm not in denial about something of no interest to me whatsoever...as
far as I'm concerned the whole bunch of you can be turned into charcoal.

In article <47F916F1.70604@nospam.com>, nospam@nospam.com says...
>
>
> krw wrote:
> > In article <47F8F36F.8020204@nospam.com>, nospam@nospam.com says...
> >
> >>
> >>krw wrote:
> >>
> >>>In article <47F8EE60.2010708@nospam.com>, nospam@nospam.com says...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>krw wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>In article <47F8E9F0.6050403@nospam.com>, nospam@nospam.com says...
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>krw wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>In article <47F8BF56.2080404@nospam.com>, nospam@nospam.com says...
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>Gunner Asch wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>Pox Americana would be the more apt expression for a nation of
> >>>>>>>>illiterate hickbillies who can't find their butt with both hands...
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Your identical twin sister?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>As I recall, the only electronic circuit submission you have EVER made
> >>>>>>to SED was a simple diode circuit where you got the diode backwards.
> >>>>>>You're a fake worthless pos, and a half-assed bit head, typical USENET
> >>>>>>troll. Like most of your kind, you're probably another little pussy
> >>>>>>faced swivel chair maggot...a space-taker.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>You are, like Dimbulb, AlwaysWrong. The worst part is that you're
> >>>>>sounding more like him every day. You really ought to get that
> >>>>>checked.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>Nope- I'm right about what you posted. But I'm not surprised you have
> >>>>blanked it out, your mind has to be used to that state...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Nope. You're AlwaysWrong, as charged. ...and it's all down hill
> >>>from there, Bloggsie.
> >>>
> >>
> >>Nope- I am dead on. One of the regulars corrected your pathetic error,
> >>maybe he can recall the exact thread. I know more about your inferiority
> >>than you do, and I barely pay attention to your drivel....
> >
> >
> > As poor at logic as Dimbulb too, eh Junior. You really ought to
> > trade in that bubble gum junior-analyst diploma, Bloops, and find a
> > real shrink.
> >
>
> Typical bluffing by a lightweight. You're not doing yourself any favors
> by continuing on like this...it's well known on SED you're an idiot...

Bluffing? You really need help, Junior. ...but keep it up. You're
digging deeper.

--
Keith

On Mon, 07 Apr 2008 13:52:55 -0400, Fred Bloggs <nospam@nospam.com>
wrote:

>
>
>Gunner Asch wrote:
>> On Mon, 07 Apr 2008 06:49:02 -0400, Fred Bloggs <nospam@nospam.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>>Gunner Asch wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sun, 06 Apr 2008 15:54:58 -0300, Fred Bloggs <nospam@nospam.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Gunner Asch wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Sun, 06 Apr 2008 09:17:26 -0300, Fred Bloggs <nospam@nospam.com>
>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Gunner Asch wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Pox Americana would be the more apt expression for a nation of
>>>>>>>illiterate hickbillies who can't find their butt with both hands...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Your opinion, that of a fucktard, is noted with amusement.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Gunner
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>You validate it with your every utterance...
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>and you validate my statement with every post you make.
>>>>
>>>>Gunner
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>Spoken like a true mindless parrot...
>>>Let me respond for you, idiot:
>>>"No! *YOU* speak like a mindless parrot."
>>
>>
>>
>> Denial, is not a river in Egypt, old sod.
>>
>
>I'm not in denial about something of no interest to me whatsoever...as
>far as I'm concerned the whole bunch of you can be turned into charcoal.

So you have some pathological inabliltiy to avoid responding to these
posts?

Have you considered consulting a mental health professional?
You really should.

Gunner


"[L]iberals are afraid to state what they truly believe in, for to do so
would result in even less votes than they currently receive. Their
methodology is to lie about their real agenda in the hopes of regaining
power, at which point they will do whatever they damn well please. The
problem is they have concealed and obfuscated for so long that, as a group,
they themselves are no longer sure of their goals. They are a collection of
wild-eyed splinter groups, all holding a grab-bag of dreams and wishes. Some
want a Socialist, secular-humanist state, others the repeal of the Second
Amendment. Some want same sex/different species marriage, others want voting
rights for trees, fish, coal and bugs. Some want cradle to grave care and
complete subservience to the government nanny state, others want a culture
that walks in lockstep and speaks only with intonations of political
correctness. I view the American liberals in much the same way I view the
competing factions of Islamic
fundamentalists. The latter hate each other to the core, and only join
forces to attack the US or Israel. The former hate themselves to the core,
and only join forces to attack George Bush and conservatives." --Ron Marr

On 2008-04-07, Technomage Hawke <technomage-hawke@127.0.0.1> wrote:

> T wrote:
>>
>> There are three possibilities for the actions of the Bush
>> administration.
>>
>> 1) They're so inept they had no idea that the attacks of 09/11/2001 were
>> going to occur even though we saw that the intelligence community had
>> sent up warnings.
>>
>> 2) They're so crafty that they chose to ignore the intelligence because
>> they needed, according to the PNAC documents a "Pearl Harbor" type
>> event.
>>
>> or
>>
>> 3) They were actively involved in the planning and execution.
>>
>>
>>
>> Not of the three are pretty things to think about. But based upon the
>> secrecy employed by this administration I'll rule out the first option.
>> It's either #2 or #3.

> There is a problem with #3: someone would have talked.
>
> The lesson I speak is this: there is no such thing as total secrecy,
> especially where conspiracies are concerned. eventually, someones lips will
> slip, gums will flap and secrets become public.
>
> It has always been that way and will always continue to be that way.

More to the point, remember the adage "don't attribute to malice that
which could be due to simple stupidity." The administration's actions in
the years following the attacks have done nothing but reinforce the
notion that they are idiots. Powerful, self-serving idiots with no
notion of "greater good" but idiots nonetheless.

Re: the objection to this point "based upon the secrecy employed by
this administration" is a non-sequitor. Even idiots, maybe especially
idiots, can find a policy of secrecy beneficial to their goals.

--

John (john@os2.dhs.org)

On 2008-04-07, Technomage Hawke <technomage-hawke@127.0.0.1> wrote:

> So, what is the real problem you have with the US of A?

I don't have a problem with the USA. I have a problem with the present
government of the USA. As Mark Twain put it: I stand with my country,
always. I stand with my government when they deserve it.

> its not our image. Nay! its the fact that even the poorest of us are still
> far richer than almost anyone below upper class just about anywhere else.

Is that why we are number 39 in "quality of life" (health,
longevity, education, etc.) indexes, behind even Cuba?

> its called jealousy. They want what we have without working for it. they
> lust after it. Think about that for a while.

Many people who object to US interventionism do so because they see
their country's wealth and resources being drained to benefit a few rich
people in the West. I recommend Naomi Klein's recent book "Shock
Doctrine" which explores this in some detail.

--

John (john@os2.dhs.org)

John Thompson <john@vector.os2.dhs.org> writes:

> On 2008-04-07, Technomage Hawke <technomage-hawke@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>
>> its not our image. Nay! its the fact that even the poorest of us are still
>> far richer than almost anyone below upper class just about anywhere else.
>
> Is that why we are number 39 in "quality of life" (health,
> longevity, education, etc.) indexes, behind even Cuba?

Because we don't lie. What, you believe /anything/ Castro says?

>
>> its called jealousy. They want what we have without working for it. they
>> lust after it. Think about that for a while.
>
> Many people who object to US interventionism do so because they see
> their country's wealth and resources being drained to benefit a few rich
> people in the West.

Yet they demand our intervention whenever a local gang commits war
crimes (Darfur), and then proceed to denounce us when we do something
about the war crimes (Kosovo). Yeah, and Kosovo made so much money for
American companies, too. McDonald's and GM are just raking in the
money selling to those people, especially the ones who think Slobodon
was a great hero and should be lionized for his firm hand.

> I recommend Naomi Klein's recent book "Shock Doctrine" which
> explores this in some detail.

Why do you think she has any credibility at all?

On 2008-04-08, Technomage Hawke <technomage-hawke@127.0.0.1> wrote:

> John Thompson wrote:
>
>> Is that why we are number 39 in "quality of life" (health,
>> longevity, education, etc.) indexes, behind even Cuba?

> oh joy! another card carrying member of the Michael Moore fan club.
>
> here is something sam clemmons said about statistics: "there are lies,
> damned lies, and statistics!"
>
> if you, in any way, believe what cuba has to say about their health care
> system, then you have been snookered and cannot be taken seriously.

Those are WHO's statistics, not Cuba's.

>> Many people who object to US interventionism do so because they see
>> their country's wealth and resources being drained to benefit a few rich
>> people in the West. I recommend Naomi Klein's recent book "Shock
>> Doctrine" which explores this in some detail.

> sorry, I cannot comment on that author or her works (as I have not read
> her's yet). I do know of whom you speak though... someone who is ultra
> liberal and French Canadian. Perhaps you need to get a slightly more
> balanced look at the situation?

Living as I do within a couple miles of the headquarters of the John
Birch Society, I hear plenty other opinions here.

--

John (john@os2.dhs.org)