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Old 02-06-2004
Jorge L. Davila-Laureano
 
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Hi.

How often should I shut down the server (if ever)?

(RH Linux 9: file server, print server, DHCP, DNS, NIS, SMB [WINS]).

Thanks.
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Old 02-06-2004
Lew Pitcher
 
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Jorge L. Davila-Laureano wrote:

> Hi.
>
> How often should I shut down the server (if ever)?
>
> (RH Linux 9: file server, print server, DHCP, DNS, NIS, SMB [WINS]).


Only for hardware changes, or upgrades to the kernel. Otherwise, there's no
reason to shut it down at all.


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Old 02-06-2004
Lukas Neuburger
 
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Jorge L. Davila-Laureano wrote:
>
> How often should I shut down the server (if ever)?
>


Reboot/shutdown only when absolutely necessary.

Examples of situations where a reboot/shutdown could potentially be
necessary are:

1. Hardware failure/replacement
2. Hardware upgrade
3. Kernel upgrade/patching

Regards,

Lukas
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Old 02-07-2004
ynotssor
 
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"Jorge L. Davila-Laureano" <j_davila@webmail.uprh.edu> wrote in message
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> How often should I shut down the server (if ever)?
> (RH Linux 9: file server, print server, DHCP, DNS, NIS, SMB [WINS]).


I shut down each of the several servers about twice per year, but only to
blow the dust out of the innards since they're in a relatively dirty
environment.

Other than that, I can't find any reason short of hardware failure to do so.


tony

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Old 02-08-2004
Sean Callaway
 
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> How often should I shut down the server (if ever)?

I know its cool to have a _really_ large number when you run 'uptime'
but your server can never get cracked if its not on. Plus, if there's
no one there to use it, why have it on? I shut down most of my servers
(everything but my externel web servers) at 7:00 pm. I figure that
everyone is gone (our office closes at 6:00) and not one is still
working from home (besides, they can do that through our website).
Then I turn them on at 4:45 am, before even the early-birds arrive at
our office.

My servers have NEVER been compromised. I attribute it to open-source
software and shutdowns.

Sean Callaway
www.scallaway.com
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Old 02-08-2004
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"Sean Callaway" <scallaway@programmer.net> wrote in message
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> I shut down most of my servers
> (everything but my externel web servers) at 7:00 pm. I figure that
> everyone is gone (our office closes at 6:00) and not one is still
> working from home (besides, they can do that through our website).
> Then I turn them on at 4:45 am, before even the early-birds arrive at
> our office.
>
> My servers have NEVER been compromised. I attribute it to open-source
> software and shutdowns.


You sound like the type of person that thinks chickens will never have sex
if you keep the roosters and hens in separate pens at night.





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Old 02-08-2004
Keith Keller
 
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> I know its cool to have a _really_ large number when you run 'uptime'
> but your server can never get cracked if its not on. Plus, if there's
> no one there to use it, why have it on? I shut down most of my servers
> (everything but my externel web servers) at 7:00 pm. I figure that
> everyone is gone (our office closes at 6:00) and not one is still
> working from home (besides, they can do that through our website).
> Then I turn them on at 4:45 am, before even the early-birds arrive at
> our office.


If you telinit 1 at 7pm, and telinit 5 at 4.45am, you can preserve your
uptime and ''avoid'' getting cracked.

Not all sites can have that kind of downtime--people in my office work
at all hours, so machines need to be available 24/7.

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Old 02-09-2004
Sean Callaway
 
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> Not all sites can have that kind of downtime--people in my office work
> at all hours, so machines need to be available 24/7.


Of course, I realize that. The office is mostly sales people, so
almost everyone is 9 to 5.

In response to the "keeping the chickens and the roosters seperate"
post, I run other security measures, as well. However, I know that no
one will be able to get in to my systems when they're off.

Sean Callaway
www.scallaway.com
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Old 02-10-2004
Baho Utot
 
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Sean Callaway wrote:

>> Not all sites can have that kind of downtime--people in my office work
>> at all hours, so machines need to be available 24/7.

>
> Of course, I realize that. The office is mostly sales people, so
> almost everyone is 9 to 5.
>
> In response to the "keeping the chickens and the roosters seperate"
> post, I run other security measures, as well. However, I know that no
> one will be able to get in to my systems when they're off.
>



All you need to do is take down the ether with a cron script and then
restart when needed also with a cron script.

Powering systems on an off is said to be extremely hard on them.
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Old 02-13-2004
Sean Callaway
 
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Duh *thunks his forehead* I never thought of that. That's a good idea,
now I feel kind of dumb.

Sean Callaway
www.scallaway.com
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