Re: [AMaViS-user] Sa-learn --ham vs spamassassin -report

> -----Original Message-----
> From: amavis-user-bounces@lists.sourceforge.net
> [mailto:amavis-user-bounces@lists.sourceforge.net] On Behalf Of Gary V
> Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 12:58 PM
> To: amavis-user@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: Re: [AMaViS-user] Sa-learn --ham vs spamassassin -report
> It would be best to ask on the SA users list.
>

SA guys don't know about amavisd-new, sorta treat it like a bastard
child ;

> Just a test:
>
> sfa:~# ls -l /var/lib/amavis/.spamassassin/
> total 40
> -rwxr-x--- 1 amavis amavis 12288 2006-08-19 20:51 auto-whitelist
> -rw-rw-rw- 1 amavis amavis 12 2006-08-27 12:18 bayes.mutex
> -rw------- 1 amavis amavis 12288 2006-08-26 18:18 bayes_seen
> -rw------- 1 amavis amavis 12288 2006-08-27 12:18 bayes_toks
> -rwxr-x--- 1 amavis amavis 1487 2006-08-19 20:51 user_prefs
>
> sfa:~# su amavis -c 'spamassassin -r < email.txt'
> [2762] warn: reporter: SpamCop message older than 2 days, not
> reporting 1 message(s) examined.
>
Wonder what spamassassin -k would do if not 'revoke'?
How to you get spamassassin to add to baysien list?

> sfa:~# ls -l /var/lib/amavis/.spamassassin/
> total 40
> -rwxr-x--- 1 amavis amavis 12288 2006-08-19 20:51 auto-whitelist
> -rw-rw-rw- 1 amavis amavis 12 2006-09-03 10:52 bayes.mutex
> -rw------- 1 amavis amavis 12288 2006-09-03 10:51 bayes_seen
> -rw------- 1 amavis amavis 12288 2006-09-03 10:51 bayes_toks
> -rwxr-x--- 1 amavis amavis 1487 2006-08-19 20:51 user_prefs
>

Touched it, but did it reject bayes also because you previously learned
it? Or spamcop rejected it?

> sfa:~# su amavis -c 'sa-learn --spam < email.txt'
> Learned tokens from 1 message(s) (1 message(s) examined)
>
> sfa:~# ls -l /var/lib/amavis/.spamassassin/
> total 52
> -rwxr-x--- 1 amavis amavis 12288 2006-08-19 20:51 auto-whitelist
> -rw-rw-rw- 1 amavis amavis 15 2006-09-03 10:53 bayes.mutex
> -rw------- 1 amavis amavis 12288 2006-09-03 10:53 bayes_seen
> -rw------- 1 amavis amavis 24576 2006-09-03 10:53 bayes_toks
> -rwxr-x--- 1 amavis amavis 1487 2006-08-19 20:51 user_prefs
>
> So, it appears to me no learning takes place when using
> spamassassin -r, but the bayes files are accessed.

What I suspected.
So, I need to run both sa-learn --spam AND spamassassin -r.

User options should include:

'learn from spam/ham' (sa-learn --spam/ham)
'report spam spamassassin -r'
'forget spam/ham' (which should both 'sa-learn -forget' and
'spamassassin -k (revoke)')

Looking for people who want to try that sa coach and my 'sa-learnd'?
Could potentially remove need for the imap version of sa-learn and
answer FAQ's about 'how do I send mistakes' to amavisd-new.

You need thunderbird > 1.5 on the client side, server side is perl,
should run everywhere(tm).
Its supposed to support outlook > 2000 but I could not get it to work on
three different networks.
For sa coach (designed to work with spamd
http://sourceforge.net/projects/soc2006spamd/ released under apache 2.0
license.

Sa-learnd, proposed to release under GLP2.
(email me for a copy)
setup is: install sa-coach on client, insert ip address of amavisd-new
server.
Install sa-learnd on amavisd-new server, start it up.

To run: highlight email in outlook/thunderbird, select 'learn as
spam/ham' or forget.
On spamd (if you run spamd and not sa-learnd), does spamassassin -r
On sa-learnd, does spamassassin -r/sa-learn --spam vs spamassassin
-k/sa-learn --ham.

Single threaded now, my first perl socket daemon :-).

Seems to work with thurderbird version of sa-learn, I could not get
outlook version to even contact target host port at all.
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