stewart menday <stewart at webstorm.net.au> wrote:

> "P.T. Breuer" <ptb@oboe.it.uc3m.es> wrote in message
> news:5omqsb.opj.ln@news.it.uc3m.es...
> > stewart menday <stewart at webstorm.net.au> wrote:
> > > "P.T. Breuer" <ptb@oboe.it.uc3m.es> wrote in message news:5aunsb.6qd.ln@news.it.uc3m.es...
> > > > Please do not top post! I'll fix this one ...
> > > As the question was so short I didn't think it mattered if I "Top Posted"
> > Then why do it?

> You do it because it is quicker, simple start typing.


But you are typing a soliloquy. You alone know what the question you
are answering is! Nobody else can tell. It's an image in yoru own head,
not on the screen, that you are responding to!

> > It takes effort to write over the top of something,
> > constantly glancing down at the post to see what you are replying to,
> > and writing the answer to the question in a different place altogether.

> Not if you know what the question was.

But you don't know what the question was. You THINK you do, but without
looking at it you cannot be sure. And you also don't know what the
other questions are, and how your answer will be perceived in relaton
to them!

So it fails as a communication method.

> I think it takes longer to write
> your answer in multiple places.

Why? How can it? You don't do any work to move the cursor!

> I agree that if the message/question is
> long that it is easier to understand.

No comment.

> > In fact I don't know how you do it! How do people answer a post more
> > than 22 lines long by top posting? They can't see what they are talking
> > about when talking about it!

> 22 lines maybe but you only made 2 points, the first was to say that my
> question was wrong. How can a question be wrong?

Easily! When did you stop beating your wife? Why didn't the CIA tell
us they were making up this stuff about WMD? Which planet is Elvis on
nowadays? Who is the guy who is fixing the football match results paid
by?

Etc.

Get it?

> Only the answer can be
> wrong.

Nonsense. The question can be wrong. When you are told that it is
wrong, reexamine it, and SEE what is wrong with it.


> And the second was to look at the man file. You don't need much of
> a memory to remember that.


What was "that"? I wrote the answer three times, and you repeated
yourself three times in taking no notice.


> > It isn't at all obvious what your problem is, since you say that you
> > are aware of the situation. Being aware of it, what can your problem
> > possibly be?
> >
> Problem, I have a broken leg, being aware of it doesn't fix it.


Yes it does. You know it is broken, so take it to the hospital.



> > It's like saying "I want a can of peas", and "I am aware the can of
> > peas is in the cupboard". Great! Fantastic! So what's your problem?
> > Go get 'em!
> >
> I don't know where the cupboard is.


Then ASK!


Ask the question you mean to ask, not a non-question that you didn't
mean to ask.


> > > > Are you struggling manfully to ask if the log facility with which pppd
> > > > is normally logged coincides with that of some other daemon, so that
> > > > syslogd cannot separate them? Or if pppd can be configured to send
> > > > directly to a file instead of to syslog?
> > > >
> > > It doesn't really matter, either will do, as long as the messages end up in
> > > their own file
> >
> >
> > No, either will not do. The answer can be negative to both or either.

> If you had told be how to do either of these I would of been happy.


I did tell you how to both. Change syslogd conf to do what you want. or
change pppd's conf to do what you want! I even told you were and how to
look it up! As though it were not obvious.


> I don't
> think you can separate the daemon facility messages (maybe you can) so the


Why don't you think so? What else does syslog do except precisely that?


> only way that I know of (now) is to use the logfile option.

Which you found about how? Perhaps by finally follwing the advice to
man pppd /log ?


> > Anyway, why didn't you ask that? You said that you knew syslog does the
> > logging, so you have to configure syslogd. What was your problem?
> >
> I don't know how to separate the daemon messages. Do you?


Of course! I can read the manpage for syslogd, where it directs me to
syslog.conf, and I can read the manpage for syslog.conf where it tells
me how, and I can read syslog.conf, where there are plenty of
examples.

So yes, I know.


The main configuration file /etc/syslog.conf or an alter
native file, given with the -f option, is read at startup.

...


DESCRIPTION
The syslog.conf file is the main configuration file for
the syslogd(8) which logs system messages on *nix systems.
This file specifies rules for logging. For special fea
tures see the sysklogd(8) manpage.

Every rule consists of two fields, a selector field and an
action field. These two fields are separated by one or
more spaces or tabs. The selector field specifies a pat
tern of facilities and priorities belonging to the speci
fied action.

...

The selector field itself again consists of two parts, a
facility and a priority, separated by a period (``.'').

...

The facility is one of the following keywords: auth, auth
priv, cron, daemon, kern, lpr, mail, mark, news, security
(same as auth), syslog, user, uucp and local0 through
local7.

...

The priority is one of the following keywords, in ascend
ing order: debug, info, notice, warning, warn (same as
warning), err, error (same as err), crit, alert, emerg,
panic (same as emerg).

...

Etc.




> > > > Well, if that is the case, I suggest you take lessons in expressing
> > > > yourself. And then read the man page for pppd to discover the answer to
> > > > the question you should have put to yourself. I already told you how:
> > > >
> > > > man pppd /log
> > > >
> > > > It really isn't hard, you know!
> > > >
> > > > But then you're slow? Here's a whopping clue, just for you:
> > > >
> > > > nolog Do not send log messages to a file or file descrip
> > > > tor. This option cancels the logfd and logfile options.
> >
> >
> > > Your time would have been better spent answering my question then in trying
> > > to insult me. You must be very insecure if you need to insult people in
> > > order to feel good.
> >
> > I don't need to insult you (in order to feel good or not!). You insult
> > yourself! Did you have some problem doing the man pppd /log thang? For
> > the third time of asking ...
> >
> > This is like talking to a tortoise.
> >
> I have to admit that I find your responses very amusing!

Just for you, I've quoted the amusing parts.

Peter